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Director and Composer => James Newton Howard => Topic started by: Lifeordeath1 on January 17, 2008, 10:42:25 PM

Title: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on January 17, 2008, 10:42:25 PM
Has anyone seen the trailer for The Spiderwick Chronicals?  I dont know if its just the trailer or what, but they totally ripped off JNH soundtrack for LITW!  I looked up the composer of that movie and its James Horner.  He better not be taking the same music from LITW.  Even in the trailer, all I can hear and think of is LITW.  The music doesnt go at all with the trailer.  It just doesnt fit.  Check out the trailer and leave comments.
Sorry for the bad youtube video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8supGNfhJIY
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 17, 2008, 11:09:23 PM
The music in that trailer IS from Lady in the Water. It's become fairly common process to use music from other movies in trailers. I've heard the score by James Horner and it's nothing like Lady in the Water, in fact it's very bland and typical.

There is a trailer out there, however, that features music that truly is a rip-off of Lady in the Water. The trailer is for the movie 'The Life Before Her Eyes' starring Uma Thurman. Oddly enough, that movie is also being scored by James Horner.

Check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8fNOnRSnU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT8fNOnRSnU)
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 18, 2008, 09:53:21 AM
Yea, it is common for trailers to take music from other movies, but to copy a similar, almost indentical, but not quite is ripping off.  Or James Horner just sounds a lot like Lady In The Water.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 18, 2008, 12:05:12 PM
I don't think that's from James Horner's score. Even though Horner's name is one that is often brought up when talking about plagiarism or unoriginal film music, I don't think he'd create a piece like that.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 19, 2008, 11:34:38 AM
You're right, neither do I.  It did sound too much like Lady In The Water.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on January 20, 2008, 04:22:00 PM
Watched your trailer for that other movie.  I didnt think it sounded as much like LITW as the Spiderwick Chron. one did.  Whatever, either way there shouldnt be so much copying.  On the other hand, if the director says "I want it to sound like LITW.", thats a different story.  It would be harder to work your way around that sound without it sound so similar.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 20, 2008, 05:20:11 PM
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Watched your trailer for that other movie.  I didnt think it sounded as much like LITW as the Spiderwick Chron. one did.

What I was trying to say earlier, and maybe didn't say so well, was that the music in The Spiderwick Chronicles trailer literally is the music from Lady in the Water. Not a re-recording, or a knock-off, but literally the music directly from the CD.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 21, 2008, 09:35:05 AM
Yea, I wonder why that is allowed.  I don't think it should be.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 21, 2008, 09:35:51 AM
But then again, more publicity for James Newton Howard.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on January 21, 2008, 12:48:17 PM
Interesting.  I wouldnt think M. Night wouldnt want music from his movie put in other trailers.  Although, maybe it isnt considered "his" music.  If the production company has rights to it, and Im sure they do, they can let someone "rent" it for the right amount of money if you know what I mean.  They probably paid big bucks to use that music.  Why anyone would ever do that is beyond me? 
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 21, 2008, 01:22:56 PM
I'm pretty sure the publishing company, which in this case in Warner-Olive, has control over that. They would create a non-exclusive license to give to production company for a fee. And you're right, they probably do pay big $, which is why you hear the knock-off in the other trailer. Somebody creates a piece that sounds similar, and charges a fraction of the price.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 21, 2008, 01:36:50 PM
Yea, basically the same theme but a lot less expensive.  Not a bad idea.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 24, 2008, 08:21:11 PM
This is a pretty common practice for trailer music actually. The better tracks tend to be the ones that were "inspired by"  not the ones that are 'duplicates'.

Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 25, 2008, 06:26:45 PM
Yea, I see what you're saying.  Good point.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 25, 2008, 06:55:31 PM
There are some companies that strive to make music that is very unique and original, but it usually sounds like typical trailer music. Ya know... epic choirs, and loud brass, etc.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 27, 2008, 03:25:02 PM
Which is fine, I think.  Trailers don't need the best music in the world.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on January 27, 2008, 03:57:12 PM
Yeah, I hate when a trailer uses a great piece of music that is nowhere to be found in the movie. I feel cheated.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 28, 2008, 09:09:51 AM
I know what you mean Dr Malcom Crowe, I completely understand.  Also, you hear this great piece of music in the trailer so you check out the soundtrack and it's not that good.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr. Heep on June 04, 2010, 12:40:06 PM
Trailers shouldn't be a basis on which to buy any score. Trailers on incredibly rare occasion use music from the actual film... maybe about 0.5% of the time, like with "Return of the King", and it'd only be because the music was composed earlier than normal.

Take Brian Tyler's "Children of Dune", for example. Master and Commander, Narnia 1, Cinderella Man, Kung Fu Panda, The Golden Compass, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and Star Trek are all examples of trailers that have used music from Tyler's score for that miniseries... Apparently it was that good. :P
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Imalshen on June 06, 2010, 12:21:22 AM
Trailers shouldn't be a basis on which to buy any score. Trailers on incredibly rare occasion use music from the actual film... maybe about 0.5% of the time, like with "Return of the King", and it'd only be because the music was composed earlier than normal.

Take Brian Tyler's "Children of Dune", for example. Master and Commander, Narnia 1, Cinderella Man, Kung Fu Panda, The Golden Compass, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, and Star Trek are all examples of trailers that have used music from Tyler's score for that miniseries... Apparently it was that good. :P

Brian Tyler is one of my favorite composers, second to Howard of course. They also used music from his Children of Dune soundtrack in the "A Mighty Heart" trailer.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Brabbel on December 30, 2010, 02:07:04 PM
Watch the Avatar trailer (blue people one) it's the music of "the island"...it's not the composers fault they just use music for fitting the trailer maybe because the composer hasn't finish with is work or what so ever...."last airbender" is the only trailer that comes in my mind now that hat composed music
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mr. Heep on January 03, 2011, 12:27:59 AM
Return of the King and Tron: Legacy are also a few.
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: jaugust on October 14, 2011, 07:54:38 PM
wow this is a good find! What a rip off !!! Even the composers name sounds like a knock off of James Newton Howard. Cant wait for MNS's next movie AfterEarth!!!!!!!!!!!!! on a side note I have been listening to James Newton Howards Music scores from the village, LITW, and unbreakable while studying for my my exams and Tiday I found out i recieved a 96 on one !!! Owahh owahh Such good music!
Title: Re: LITW Rip off.
Post by: Mike.E on August 08, 2012, 10:44:23 PM
I know this post hasn't been touched in a while, but I didn't think anyone touched on one of the reasons that music from other films get used in trailers.

Generally, studios/producers "own" the rights to the music that is used in films (they are, in effect, the ones who paid for the music).

Trailers very rarely use the actual music from the film being previewed, because in 99.99% of cases, the music hasn't been written yet, or is barely off the drawing board. (film scores are quite regularly tossed off in a matter of weeks, exceptionally months, and EXCEEDINGLY exceptionally, for Lord of the Rings, MANY months or even years).

So the people who create trailers try to find music that is in the studio archives which matches the advertising angle they are using for their film.

Notice, for example, how often the music to Cocoon (James Horner) comes around for scenes that are meant to be grandiose and "mystical".

Very few Hollywood composers retain absolute control over the music they write for film productions. I think you could probably count them on the fingers of one hand.