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Title: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 05, 2008, 09:36:23 AM
When everybody runs down into the basement and Graham is holding the door shut against the aliens Merill is looking for something to wedge against the door.  He eventually finds an axe.  Later they wake up and go upstairs, unarmed after an alien attack, then Merill is forced to use his bat, now for the sake of the story that is better, but why didn't he take the ax up with him.  Now, this is of course all in hindsight after watching the movie several times, and I might have forgotten about the ax if I were in his situation also.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on February 05, 2008, 12:31:34 PM
I think Merrill not bringing up the axe shows his confidence in the 'all clear'
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 05, 2008, 04:31:47 PM
That's true, I hadn't thought about that.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Rulm on February 06, 2008, 11:02:00 AM
I always wondered why he didn't take the axe upstairs with him...Guess it was meant to be...
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Orandhite on February 06, 2008, 11:09:31 AM
The film is all about "coincidence".  So, it was "coincidence" that he always swang when playing baseball, it was "coincidence" that he forgot about the axe, and it was "coincidence" that he was stood right by the bat in the living room at that particular time.

It's about the fact that no matter what happens, there is a reason for it, and no matter how small things appear, they can be the most important actions of our lives.

Perhaps if the movie had been about an alien invasion, then yes, it would have made sense within the meaning of the story for him to use the axe.  But because the movie has nothing to do with alien invasion, it didn't make sense within the telling of the story for him to use it.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Rulm on February 06, 2008, 11:11:06 AM
Well put.  ;)
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 06, 2008, 02:17:42 PM
That's it, well said.  I agree with you completely, that the movie is not about mere coincedence, but about somebody guiding what is going on in the world.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: abby_hess on February 07, 2008, 10:16:12 PM
it's never once occurred to me that merrill could have or should have taken the axe upstairs....

i accept most things in movies without questioning, this was obviously something that sailed right over my head!! hahaha
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 08, 2008, 12:50:28 AM
The film is all about "coincidence".  So, it was "coincidence" that he always swang when playing baseball, it was "coincidence" that he forgot about the axe, and it was "coincidence" that he was stood right by the bat in the living room at that particular time.

It's about the fact that no matter what happens, there is a reason for it, and no matter how small things appear, they can be the most important actions of our lives.

Perhaps if the movie had been about an alien invasion, then yes, it would have made sense within the meaning of the story for him to use the axe.  But because the movie has nothing to do with alien invasion, it didn't make sense within the telling of the story for him to use it.

Perfect!  Absolute truth!  You have answered the post in its entirerty!
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: okokokok on February 08, 2008, 04:03:25 AM
I hate to burst any bubbles, but it was just mildly sloppy writing I think.  I remembered a question and answer he did where basically said if he could have thought of something different to block the door with, he would have.  He said he even took out the pick axe sound when it was taken from the door so it wouldn't be focused on. 
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 08, 2008, 09:40:18 AM
Yea, but if he wanted they could have used something different, right?  ???  It was just one of those moments, where I would have been like, "Yea, it's all clear, but I think I'll still take the ax upstairs, just in case."  You know what I mean, still, I like it better how it ended up in the movie.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: okokokok on February 08, 2008, 04:42:28 PM
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Yea, but if he wanted they could have used something different, right?

Well, he said he couldn't think of anything else for Graham to use to hold the door.  And then in post he tried "sleight of hand" it by taking out the pick axe sound so people wouldn't notice.  Which means it was concern of his which came from not being able to come up with another plan.  It's one of those things in his movies I wish wasn't there so people couldn't nitpick.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 09, 2008, 12:26:28 PM
I never thought about his using it anyway.  He could have used a piece of wood, Im sure he had something like that in the basement.  haha.  Besides, if he would have went upstairs with that pic ax, the movie wouldnt have had any motive for him to "swing away", at least using the baseball bat.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 09, 2008, 01:32:55 PM
That's true too, it's just one of those things I noticed.  Also, it does give room for people to nitpick.  For the purpose of the storyline it just didn't work also, which is true, also, I just realised, Merrill, sort of killed him, but it was really the water from all the cups Bo left lying around, if he had used an ax it might have killed him without the water.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 10, 2008, 01:07:04 PM
Yes, true.  It makes it a little more tense to.  Your like, what an idiot!  Your going upstairs without a weapon!?  The audience gets nervous then.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 10, 2008, 09:51:36 PM
I certainly did, this was the first Night film I had watched, I was like, man the way he is filming it, there is something up there, but then no, and I relaxed, and then all of a sudden an alien was there, it scared the crap out of me.   :o
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on February 10, 2008, 10:51:43 PM
Yeah, that scene is really well done. It's shows Nights level of craftsmanship as a film-maker. Very Hitchcockian.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 11, 2008, 09:32:23 AM
Yea, he likes Hitchcock's style.  But, I think he is better than Hitchcock, :gasp:  :o.  I think the work Hitchcock does is good, but not that good.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 11, 2008, 07:55:06 PM
To tell a feature leangth film, all from a window, without going anywhere is amazing!  You cant deny that!  The only time they left the window was when he fell onto the ground outside, but then they were back in in the morning.  Brillant!  Hitchcock was ahead of his time! 
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 12, 2008, 09:54:08 AM
That was Rear Window right, I'm not denying that he was good, I'm just not that big a fan of him.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on February 12, 2008, 05:06:12 PM
I am a pretty big fan of Hitchcock. I would suggest watching some of his films that aren't exactly the ones most folks know him for. I highly recommend I Confess, Dial M for Murder, and Strangers on a Train.

Younger people that make an effort to watch Hitchcock usually go for stuff like The Birds, Rear Window, Psycho first. However, I recommend the first list of films because I believe they allow people to slip into the hot bath that is Hitchcock a bit easier.



and now back to the original topic...  ;)
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 13, 2008, 09:25:09 AM
Allright, thanks for the tip, and back to the topic, but basically my question has been answered.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 13, 2008, 06:25:11 PM
Strangers on a Train!  Good film Dr. .Crow!
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 14, 2008, 09:29:33 AM
Strangers on a Train, what's that about, I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 14, 2008, 03:46:12 PM
It's about a couple of strangers on a train!   ;D
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 15, 2008, 09:47:50 AM
Oh, okay, thanks,  ;D sounds like a great movie.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on February 17, 2008, 03:37:15 AM
Seriously, it really is, check it out!
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 18, 2008, 02:45:38 PM
No, I will.  I like how Night took out the sound of the axe,  because I forgot it was even there until I watched it the last time.  So I think it worked.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: MrStone on March 01, 2008, 09:28:57 AM
Why does Night get comparisons to Hitchcock?  Did hitchcock ever do any writing?
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 01, 2008, 02:14:48 PM
I think it is the style of the tow directors.  Not neccesarily horror, but scary, suspensful, very clear cut, good pacing, and just making good all around films.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Lifeordeath1 on March 01, 2008, 08:55:38 PM
I dont think that he wrote everything, but I think he might have written a few.  Hitchcock has been known for saying that filming the movie was boring boring for him.  He is so ready, like M. Night, in pre-production that filming is boring to him.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 02, 2008, 01:50:59 PM
That's interesting, I just love the whole moviemaking process. ;D
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on June 18, 2008, 06:18:16 PM
This kind of brings up the topic of "why did anyone do anything the way they did in the movie?" And it can all be explained away by "it was meant to be" or "intelligent design" or "somebody wrote the thing and then directed it how he wanted" lol it reminds me of one of my favorite Simpsons quote at a Xena Warrior Princess convention where nerds are all asking her why this or that unexplainable thing happened on sucha and such episode and she said "a wizard did it..whenever something happens that can't be explained, a wizard did it" OKAY?!
It's sort of a Deus ex machina for shyamalan or anyone to include fate or divine intervention in a film to explain away whatever improbabilities might arise in the plot. but hey, he's good at suspending our disbelief and makes a really beautiful story out of it if we dont look too closely. SO just enjoy it.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: marco on June 25, 2008, 03:43:25 PM
Never thought about that.I think that it can be partially explained by the fact that in a situation like this every human being would be extremely shocked and terrorized: Merrill is motionless when he sees the alien in front him.So in that moment he can't think about the axe.
I agree with the "willing suspension of disbelief" point brought up by Namaste (some things must be accepted in his movies),but I also think that almost everything can be explained somehow.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on June 25, 2008, 04:11:42 PM
Yeah..in reality most movies out there require a suspension of disbelief..it's not about making reality. It's about capturing real feelings and emotions in an abstract way. I mean look at all the best paintings out there by the best artists..they aren't photographic representations of objects..they are pieces of life expressed in a way that our eyes alone could never capture.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Rohan on August 09, 2008, 12:18:24 PM
Another reason why he didn't take the axe with him upstairs. They listen to the news on the radio that the aliens are leaving. Then, they check the baby monitor/walkie talkie and sounds good enough for both of them that they are safe now and aliens are gone.

Unfortunately for them one of the aliens actually stayed cause its the wounded one and the other groups of aliens won't accept a wounded individual in their ship or whatever.

Its just a coincidence that he was meant to swing away.

Rohan

Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Prince111 on November 16, 2008, 10:39:01 PM
When everybody runs down into the basement and Graham is holding the door shut against the aliens Merill is looking for something to wedge against the door.  He eventually finds an axe.  Later they wake up and go upstairs, unarmed after an alien attack, then Merill is forced to use his bat, now for the sake of the story that is better, but why didn't he take the ax up with him.  Now, this is of course all in hindsight after watching the movie several times, and I might have forgotten about the ax if I were in his situation also.

Well, it would not have made since when Mr. Gibsons character told him to "swing away," coneecting it to Merril being a former baseball player.  That's why I think he didn't bring the axe upstairs with him and use it.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on November 17, 2008, 12:22:28 AM

Well, it would not have made since when Mr. Gibsons character told him to "swing away," coneecting it to Merril being a former baseball player.  That's why I think he didn't bring the axe upstairs with him and use it.

well, duhhh.. lol you think shyamalan might have had some idea what was going to happen? ahahahaha
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 17, 2008, 01:31:44 PM
I think it's just one of those things where you are just so focused on the moment you forget what's around you.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Prince111 on November 17, 2008, 07:24:12 PM

Well, it would not have made since when Mr. Gibsons character told him to "swing away," coneecting it to Merril being a former baseball player.  That's why I think he didn't bring the axe upstairs with him and use it.

well, duhhh.. lol you think shyamalan might have had some idea what was going to happen? ahahahaha

Ain't no (Well DUH) if you look at other post in here you just might see why I wrote what I wrote.  LOL 
(Well Duh)  LOL
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on November 17, 2008, 08:18:22 PM
let me put it in words you can understand:

you are stating something so obvious, that I find it hard to believe you live in the same dimension as the rest of us. Why don't you just point out how it makes so much sense that the narf lives in a pool when the name of the movie is lady in the WATER? wow, now that's writing! it all fits together!! ahahaha
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Prince111 on November 18, 2008, 12:43:21 PM
When everybody runs down into the basement and Graham is holding the door shut against the aliens Merill is looking for something to wedge against the door.  He eventually finds an axe.  Later they wake up and go upstairs, unarmed after an alien attack, then Merill is forced to use his bat, now for the sake of the story that is better, but why didn't he take the ax up with him.  Now, this is of course all in hindsight after watching the movie several times, and I might have forgotten about the ax if I were in his situation also.


Look at this post.  If it was so obvious that everyone knew this, then why did Mr. Glass make this thread? 
let me put it in words you can understand:

you are stating something so obvious, that I find it hard to believe you live in the same dimension as the rest of us. Why don't you just point out how it makes so much sense that the narf lives in a pool when the name of the movie is lady in the WATER? wow, now that's writing! it all fits together!! ahahaha

Your post is just so rediculous, think what you want of me, your opinion of me means nothing to no one but yourself...and I'm done with this.  LOL     
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 18, 2008, 01:21:12 PM
Hey guys, keep the agressive posts down, we're starting to assault people's intelligence.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Prince111 on November 19, 2008, 07:22:32 PM
Hey guys, keep the agressive posts down, we're starting to assault people's intelligence.

You're right Mr. Glass, but look who started it.  I'm just in here trying to have and give my opinions just like everyone else, I don't need this crap either, so I agree with you and I'm done with it.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on November 19, 2008, 09:33:10 PM
the baseball bat scene was obviously meant to happen (with all the foreshadowing leading up to it). Basically, MrGlass started the thread to try to explain away a possible fault in the logic of the movie. You can't "reason" that something happened BECAUSE it was foreshadowed.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 20, 2008, 01:18:11 PM
Well, if something is foreshadowed, it's obviously ment to happen later in the movie.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Namaste on November 20, 2008, 02:47:26 PM
exactly. but you can't act like the author took inspiration from his own work lol it was all planned way before he started writing.
Title: Re: Why Didn't Merill Use The Axe
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 21, 2008, 01:09:37 PM
Sometimes, othertimes you'll be writing a script or a story and stuff pops up that you didn't expect.  Though with Night you can be guarenteed that everything is planned beforehand.