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Films => The Happening => Topic started by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 21, 2008, 02:38:41 PM

Title: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 21, 2008, 02:38:41 PM
I was wondering what other people thought, did the plant owner and his wife survive?  I think they did, because they got along well with the plants.  You know how you can build up an immunity to poisons by exposing yourself to small amounts, well what if that's what they did, unintentionally.  I think they survived.  Because when the soldier started acting wierd, along with everybody else, he and his wife noticed, and held hands, they didn't appear to be affected.  The toxin caused people to commit suicide, not kill other people.  So I think they survived.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: srkbeno.1 on June 21, 2008, 03:01:52 PM
Yeah i was hoping they showed us that they survived.. that would help M night with the message of the film
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: MrStone on June 21, 2008, 05:00:47 PM
there were multiple gunshots in that scene....it just kept happening over and over, so yes, i think they killed themselves.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: okokokok on June 21, 2008, 07:27:33 PM
That is a good question.  M Night seemed to have very specifically showed those two begin to hold hands just before that group started shooting themselves as I recall.  And it very much contrasts how that group was yelling and arguing with one another just before that as well.  And if Elliot and Alma lived because of their feelings of love......I dunno.  Was that scene in the original screenplay Mr.Stone?  And if so, did it play out the same way?
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Rohan on June 21, 2008, 08:11:21 PM
The plants owners killed themselves with HOT DOGS. I can't believe after talking all about the Hot Dog. He was standing and eating one with the bread. This movie was funny,,just funny...

Yeah, they shot themselves.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: okokokok on June 21, 2008, 09:35:23 PM
I have no idea what you just said
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 21, 2008, 10:08:08 PM
I'm going to watch the movie again, and I'm going to count the amount of people in that group, and then the amount of gunshots.  It just seemed that they weren't affected, and realised that other people were.  It's just one of those characters where it's left somewhat open ended, and it's up to you as an audience to decide.  I think they survived.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Rohan on June 21, 2008, 10:22:23 PM
I'm going to watch the movie again, and I'm going to count the amount of people in that group, and then the amount of gunshots.  It just seemed that they weren't affected, and realised that other people were.  It's just one of those characters where it's left somewhat open ended, and it's up to you as an audience to decide.  I think they survived.

They shot themselves. Trust me.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Namaste on June 21, 2008, 10:46:53 PM
Ha..Mr. Glass I was thinking the exact same thing you just said as i was reading this post..just count the number of people/shots. It's possible he didnt have enough bullets, but at least we can know for sure if the numbers match the whole group. It would be sort of a nice secret wink wink moment in the story to make us think and watch it again more closely. -sigh- i love those :)
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: okokokok on June 21, 2008, 11:42:29 PM
Rohan, I am not saying you are not right, but how are you so sure?
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: marco on June 22, 2008, 09:36:50 AM
I think they did not survive,but I'm not completely sure about it ???
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: joecartoon131 on June 22, 2008, 01:40:17 PM
Unfortunately, I don't believe they survived.

Yes the plant owners loved each other, but I think the idea that love could "overpower" the toxin (like in the original screenplay) was negated at the end of the film where Elliot met Alma and Jess in the field. The title that appeared after they stood in the field read Arundell County, 9:58 A.M.

Later, through a news report, we learn that the event ended at 9:27 A.M. So "the happening" was over thirty-one minutes before Elliot stepped outside. My guess is it ended just after Mrs. Jones died because she was able to set it off herself (just one person).
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Rohan on June 22, 2008, 02:24:02 PM
Rohan, I am not saying you are not right, but how are you so sure?

I am sure because if you remember the plant owners grabbed each others hands. And then we heard shots after shots. I assumed they killed themselves.

Rohan
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: okokokok on June 22, 2008, 03:57:43 PM
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I am sure because if you remember the plant owners grabbed each others hands. And then we heard shots after shots. I assumed they killed themselves.

I also think they killed themselves, but I was just wondering how you were so certain.  I was thinking you had some information that made it for certain or something.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Rohan on June 22, 2008, 04:19:22 PM
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I am sure because if you remember the plant owners grabbed each others hands. And then we heard shots after shots. I assumed they killed themselves.

I also think they killed themselves, but I was just wondering how you were so certain.  I was thinking you had some information that made it for certain or something.

Dude, I wish I could take the camera from Marky Mark's face and put on that group of crowd that the Plant Owners were standing with, so I could show that they really shot themselves miserably in the head and throat.

Rohan
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: MrStone on June 22, 2008, 09:55:15 PM
That is a good question.  M Night seemed to have very specifically showed those two begin to hold hands just before that group started shooting themselves as I recall.  And it very much contrasts how that group was yelling and arguing with one another just before that as well.  And if Elliot and Alma lived because of their feelings of love......I dunno.  Was that scene in the original screenplay Mr.Stone?  And if so, did it play out the same way?

i think it did play out like it very similarly..

here's the script concept.

the toxins are released based on triggers..but the triggers keep changing and becoming more sensitive..

1.  large cities are the first trigger.
2.  roads and highways are the second.
3.  large groups.
4.  emotions.

the botanist and ihis wife were killed in the large group segment...

elliot and alma survived the fourth because of the love...and the triggers were more sensitive at that point aimed at emotions..
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Namaste on June 22, 2008, 10:27:11 PM
Yes the plant owners loved each other, but I think the idea that love could "overpower" the toxin (like in the original screenplay) was negated at the end of the film where Elliot met Alma and Jess in the field. The title that appeared after they stood in the field read Arundell County, 9:58 A.M.

Later, through a news report, we learn that the event ended at 9:27 A.M. So "the happening" was over thirty-one minutes before Elliot stepped outside. My guess is it ended just after Mrs. Jones died because she was able to set it off herself (just one person).

Good point! I didn't think to pay so much attention to the times, cuz I only saw it once. That changes a lot.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: DILinator on June 24, 2008, 11:02:54 AM
I think the implication in the film is that they killed themselves.  Given that Elliot and Alma weren't saved at the end by their love (moreso it was just a sign that they placed their love for each other ahead of their survival), but by the fact the "happening" had ended, I don't think that the holding hands was a sign the hot dog couple would survive.  Maybe they did, and if somebody wants to believe they did then go ahead.  However, I don't think Shyamalan intended to have them survive, as it wouldn't really fit with the rest of the story as it played out.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 26, 2008, 02:58:45 PM
Allright, I have to disagree, I just saw it again.  And this time I was paying attention.  I noticed, that when everybody else froze, the man and his wife didn't, they were wondering what was going on.  Then, the soldier started walking backwards, I looked in the background, the group behind the man and his wife, they were also frozen, but the botanist and his wife started to hold hands.  That's my proof, and I'm seeing it again tonight.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Namaste on June 26, 2008, 03:22:42 PM
yeah the girl in the park in the beginning was looking around too, and the french guy at the end. That doesnt mean they survived.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 27, 2008, 03:27:45 PM
I don't think you would have gotten closure, because the film was focused on Alma and Elliot.  Also, everybody around them was frozen, why wouldn't they be frozen.  One other thing, he mentions that plants have the ability to communicate, what if the plants of the botanists had told the other plants not to harm them, because they new that the botanist and his wife cared about them.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: marco on November 28, 2008, 03:42:31 PM
I think they did not survive,but I'm not completely sure about it ???

Self-quote ;D
I've changed my point of view,they survived.As Mr_Glass said before,they were not under effect of the toxin,so they could have survived.The same for the French guy and the girl in the park at the very beginning.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Namaste on November 28, 2008, 05:27:45 PM
nuclear power plants beat regular plants  ;x hehehaha
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Prince111 on December 01, 2008, 06:59:04 PM
I was wondering what other people thought, did the plant owner and his wife survive?  I think they did, because they got along well with the plants.  You know how you can build up an immunity to poisons by exposing yourself to small amounts, well what if that's what they did, unintentionally.  I think they survived.  

Good point, but my only question to that point would be, if the plant owner and his wife were always good to their plnats, why would their plants have any reason to release any kind of toxin to kill them?  Some one else in here said that not everyone in the film was effected by the toxins...does that mean that the plants and trees only went after certain people or groups?  If so, why?

Good point though. 
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Namaste on December 01, 2008, 11:30:45 PM
Maybe when you are good to plants, they release an anti-toxin so that you won't be killed by the toxin...
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 02, 2008, 01:30:21 PM
Man, now my brain is all twisted up trying to work it out.  Maybe Namaste is right, that they release an anti-toxin.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Prince111 on December 02, 2008, 07:52:10 PM
Maybe when you are good to plants, they release an anti-toxin so that you won't be killed by the toxin...

I think you're right.  That makes since.
Title: Re: Did The Plant Owner and His Wife Survive
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 03, 2008, 01:20:05 PM
Maybe when you are good to plants, they release an anti-toxin so that you won't be killed by the toxin...

I think you're right.  That makes since.
Since or sense?  ;D