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Title: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 11, 2008, 04:24:49 AM
Hi again
after talking with Erin about the most disappointing Night's film for me, I wrote there that my selection was The sixth sense, and I promised to explain why.
I loved the film the first time I saw it, because I discovered a great director and I liked how he played with the story to surprise us. I was sure since that moment that he wouldn't disappoint me, and actually he hasn't, because this one is the only one I don't like so much.

I can't see more times this movie, because each time I see it as a trick. The main concept is this: Doctor Malcolm is dead since the beginning, but he does'nt know it, and that's what we discover at the end, being surprised because we had no idea about it, but....I can't understand why the character doesn't realize he's dead. Doesn't he realize that no one see him,? When he take a bus, when he goes to the restaurant, when no one in the world except the child talk to him.

I think it's a trick because the film shows us just the parts when we can't think about he's dead. For example, the doctor visits the child, but we don't see how he talks with her mother about the child. Who calls him to attend the child? try to see again the movie paying attention in each scene, and you'll discover that the whole film has strategic cuts to not show us those moments when we obviously would think that something's happening.

When I studied cinema, we studied a concept called "elipsis", whic means a cut in the story. When a character goes to the bathroom, we doesn't see what he does, because it's not necesary and it would be a lose of time. That's an "elipsis", and all the movies have them. Otherwise, when we see the characteer in tha bathroom normaly is because there will happen something important for the story. What Shyamalan has done in this movie is cut those moments, in order to don't let us tknow that the character is dead.

That's why I think the movie is a trick, and because of this this film is in my last position on my M.Night's films list. I hope you understand what I mean, maybe you don't agree, that's not a problem, but I hope to have explained well this particular point of view of this movie.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 11, 2008, 07:04:38 AM
Hi ALF ! I'm quite famous by now ! I'm joking ! I understand what you mean, but I don"t see this movie in this way. I think I have some answers for you. You say there is a problem when Malcolm is in the bus but he is invisible , no one can see him. The little boy is considered as mad by other ones. So People don"t pay any attention about that. You say : who calls him to attend the child in the scene with the doctor but no one calls him. He 's just there because he is obsessed by this child. It's the same thing when he came at school ( when the child see people who had been hung). He is preoccupied by the child that he forgets his own life, his wife. And M Night Shyamalan tries to make us believe that she is very angry against him because he doesn't care so much of her. Then, Did you notice that in the scene at the restaurant, Bruce Willis sat down on a chair . He doesn"t move it. Because the director didn't want that people notice some strange facts.  Cole helped him to understand what happened to him by hos knowledge of dead people. But Cole said to Malcolm : " I see dead people" They don't know they are dead, they can"t see them each other. So how Malcolm can suppose he is dead ? He can"t. He realized it at the end cos he has got the elements to understand the truth. I 'm sorry if there are some mistakes but english isn't my mother tongue.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 11, 2008, 07:50:53 AM
Thanks for your post Erin, and for giving some answers.
I know what you mean, and I don't discuss about the beauty of this film, I really liked it, but for me it's just impossible that a ghost doesn't realize that he's a ghost. Put yourself in the place of a ghost: you wake up one day and don't know you're dead, what would you do? Yo'd continue your normal life, untill you'd realize that something's wrong, because no one talks to you and people don't see you. Maybe your wife could be angry with you and doesn't want to talk to you, but what about the others?

The trick is that the moments when it could be obvious that he's a ghost are cut, in order to surprise us and also the man, but it has no sense for me that a ghost doesn't realizae he's a ghost.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 11, 2008, 07:55:30 AM
I don"t know I've never been a ghost !  ;) but I think the story is quite possible cos the child who is the only one to know how ghosts are, said " they don"t know they are dead" this is the key ! cos adults dont belive in the ghosts. Some believe in God not in ghosts coming back on earth . I really like the fact he didn't know he is dead cos it just like in philosophy, is the world around me really existing ? Am I existing ? " Yes I am cos I thinking " Cogito ergo sum Descartes said. You know ?
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: manojrules on July 11, 2008, 11:57:06 PM
Well, no, shyamalan did not cut out these scenes. like you said, the scenes not shown are things as simple as going to the bathroom, theyre just regular life routines. Cole tells Malcolm, "I see dead people. I see them all the time. They don't know they're dead, they only see what they want to see."
and i noticed the scene with him and cole's mother, too. notice when it comes in, theyre staring at each other, then cole walks in and they look at him, cole talks but looks at malcolm strangely. then when they talk, cole looks to make sure his mother is not watching before nodding to malcolm and when he eventually does talk to him in that scene, he talks softly, in a bit more than a whisper, enough so his mother does not hear.

But anyways, when it comes in and malcolm and cole's mom are staring at each other, i think i know what happened before. Cole's mom is already going through a tough time, with cole, with her jobs, and she states while talking about the bumblebee pendent, "I dont know if you've noticed, but our family isn't exactly doing so well." so Malcolm tells her his concerns about maybe cole is upset about the divorce or his comments like that, and as cole's mom awaits for cole to come home, she may sigh while thinking about things, maybe her two jobs, and malcolm takes it as a responce, but really it's only coincidental. Shyamalan brilliantly constructed everything to fit into a flawless puzzle if you really look into it.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 12, 2008, 05:22:33 AM
Well, no, shyamalan did not cut out these scenes. like you said, the scenes not shown are things as simple as going to the bathroom, theyre just regular life routines. Cole tells Malcolm, "I see dead people. I see them all the time. They don't know they're dead, they only see what they want to see."
and i noticed the scene with him and cole's mother, too. notice when it comes in, theyre staring at each other, then cole walks in and they look at him, cole talks but looks at malcolm strangely. then when they talk, cole looks to make sure his mother is not watching before nodding to malcolm and when he eventually does talk to him in that scene, he talks softly, in a bit more than a whisper, enough so his mother does not hear.

But anyways, when it comes in and malcolm and cole's mom are staring at each other, i think i know what happened before. Cole's mom is already going through a tough time, with cole, with her jobs, and she states while talking about the bumblebee pendent, "I dont know if you've noticed, but our family isn't exactly doing so well." so Malcolm tells her his concerns about maybe cole is upset about the divorce or his comments like that, and as cole's mom awaits for cole to come home, she may sigh while thinking about things, maybe her two jobs, and malcolm takes it as a responce, but really it's only coincidental. Shyamalan brilliantly constructed everything to fit into a flawless puzzle if you really look into it.

This is exactly what I wanted to say :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erik on July 12, 2008, 11:18:54 AM
The only scenes where Malcome does something are in the movie. Like Cole said:
"They only see what they want to see."
This could mean that Malcome isn't walking around somewhere in the time we don't see him in the movie. He could be at home, thinking he's asleep. He could be walking through the city and not noticing he's there untill he's back with Cole. He really wants to help him, so Cole is something he wants to see. All the other things could have been blocked memories, he doesn't want to see himself walking through Philidelphia, he doesn't want to know he's asleep. He wants to know what's going on with Cole.

The movie isn't really giving much clues about this, but this is what I think.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 14, 2008, 12:58:04 PM
WOW!!!!
Thanks for giving your opinions, I really hadn't thought that much about all these things, and I should say that I agree with you in some of the things you've said. I'll take a new look to the film after giving new conclusions, and I'll put concret examples about the tricks I think there are.

I like to see how you go deep inside the movie to extract all these meanings and opinions about Shyamalan's movies. That's why each day that is past after I saw The Happening I like it more, because I'm sure I (we) will discover lots of meanings in that movie.

Maybe Doctor Malcolm does'nt realize he's dead because he has no time or is'nt in the right moment to think about it, but I still have my doubts  ;D, so better not to close this post, I hope the others will give us their opinions, and I also will give mine after re-watching the movie thinking about this new information you've given to me.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 14, 2008, 02:53:18 PM
We do our job of fan !  :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on July 14, 2008, 03:38:48 PM
Yeah, I think malcom's very life has "strategic cuts" and therefore he never has to do anything like take the bus..he just shows up where he wants to be, but he doesnt know how he got there or even care. (although I think he did say something in the movie about some confusion as to why he was doing what he was doing or was where he was) And cole's mom didnt call him..it's just a trick that makes it look like she did when he is sitting in their house when cole arrives. It's really quite genius, this "trick" of a movie once you know the outcome.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erik on July 14, 2008, 03:46:11 PM
I found another thing: Malcome said in the restaurant to Anne:
I keep losing track of time!
This could be the sign that proves my theory.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on July 14, 2008, 03:57:14 PM
Yes! that is one of the scenes i was thinking about..that he's disoriented.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 15, 2008, 02:27:28 AM
You mean he lives in some kind of hypnotic state during the time he's not with Cole? I t could be, yes. Maybe the time he's not with Cole he's in a deep dream, sleeping and reaming with he's life, without realizing he's dead.
But....what about Cole? He's supposed to recognize ghosts, or dead peopl, like he says. What happens with him when Doctor Malcolm is around? He does'nt realize his doctor is one of those "ghosts"? Doesn't he talk with his moteher about his therapy? If he did, his mother would discover that his son talks with an inveted person, so also those p?ssible moments are cut.

I'm looking forward to watch the film again and discuss about these things
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 15, 2008, 05:38:00 AM
I've thought about that and I think Cole doesn't know he's dead cos he doesn't bear any sign of his death , he is always wearing a long coat, hidding his wound ( is it the right word or is it injury) ?. But Maybe Cole feels Malcom is dead because the way he looked at him when he says " they don"'t know they 're dead"  is very strange, he is afraid but he seems to confess. I think he feels it but has no proof to be sure. Actually, Malcom is just like the other ghosts Cole will help. This is just my view...  :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 15, 2008, 06:51:33 AM
Yes, I thought so the first time. Maybe Cole suspects something, but the way his doctor aproach top him is dfferent as the other ghosts, he doesn't scare the boy, he wants to help him with the other ghosts, and so the boy gives more confidence to this "no official ghost". I think in the movie there's an evolution in the relation between the boy and the doctor, and it becomes closer when we arrive to the end. Doctor Malcolm helps the boy to deal with his problem, and so the boy does with him, he helps the doctor to discover what he actually is.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 15, 2008, 08:52:17 AM
This is  exactly what I thought. Maybe the boy knows Malcolm is a ghost cos in one of his last scenes he said to him : say good bye each other, like if you're gonna visit me the next day. Maybe he knows he won't see him anymore.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erik on July 15, 2008, 04:42:52 PM
hidding his wound ( is it the right word or is it injury) ?
Yes it is, an injury is more like a constant pain, mostley caused by sports.

Look at the scene where Cole meets Malcome for the first time. Look at Coles reaction. If you look closely, you can see that he realises that it's too late to hide for this ghost. And because Malcome isn't angry at Cole, he isn't scared at the end of the conversation.
But if you notice it, you can see that Cole is scared in the first seconds of their meeting.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 15, 2008, 05:15:34 PM
yes I saw that but I was not quite sure it was " a clue" . Thanks for your answer  :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 16, 2008, 06:35:04 AM
Yeah, it was what I was talking about on my last post. I think there's something strange in the relation between the doctor and his patient. And this relation has an evolution in the film. I think both are worried and scared. Cole is a boy closed in his own world, worried because of the "sixth sense" he has, and so he can't open his mind to whoever who comes to talk with him. On the other side, Malcolm knows the boy is special, and he's also affraid because he wants to do things well, in order to help him, he doesn`t want that things go wrong like it happened in the past with that boy (that one who try to kill the doctor). The boy is a new opportunity for the doctor to do his job well.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 21, 2008, 05:02:24 AM
Hi,
yesterday I saw again the movie, with a new point of view after discussing on this site.
I still have the sensation that something's wrong, but I enjoyed it more than other times.
The first time Doctor Crow meets Cole he says: "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." Well, who has given him an appointment if he's dead? Who has called him and said "could you please visiti my son, he has some problems"?
There's another moment not very clear: Cole has a bad moment at the school and he goes to the director room, where he's alone when the doctor comes. But..who has called the doctor to tell him about that problem at the school? How did he know that the boy was there? If he's dead he should not know these things.

These moments on the film are good to explain my theory: the moments when the doctor should receive a call from someone to ask him for an appointment with the boy or to go to school to know what's happened are cut, we don't see them, because not seeing them is the only way to not advertise that he's dead.

Anyway, a trick or not, is a good movie, great story
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 21, 2008, 09:31:38 AM
when Cole is at school in the director's office Malcolm probably comes because he's so preoccupied by the boy that he follows him we can imagine that . Then, When Malcolm says "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." , Cole was probably on the list . His mom had probably called him before his death and doesn't know what happened to him :) Ad so he doesn't know he's dead so he goes on his life as it was before.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on July 21, 2008, 04:06:24 PM
Again, I think malcom just shows up wherever he's supposed to be. No one has to call him. And Cole wouldn't have had to be on the list. None of the other ghosts knew about Cole before they died, but they still found him because they needed him. Whatever is bringing these ghosts to cole must be some sort of higher power like fate or karma or something..which puts ideas in their heads (like "we have an appointment") or blocks out unnecessary things (like "how did I get here?") And, as far as the hospital thing goes, I dont remember how he ended up in there, but I doubt it was Malcom who checked him in because that wouldnt make sense.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on July 22, 2008, 01:43:00 AM
Hey, I like two thing you have said, because both have sense:

so he doesn't know he's dead so he goes on his life as it was before.
Yeah, that was one my ideas to explain it. Maybe Cole should be his next patient before he died, and when he wakes up as a ghost he just tries to continue his life, and in that moment his first priority is to help that boy, because he feels bad because of what has happened with the other boy. So that feeling brings him directly to Cole.

None of the other ghosts knew about Cole before they died, but they still found him because they needed him.
I think that is one of the keys of the film, thanks, great point of view. I also thought about that idea when I saw the scene where the boy asks Cole to follow him in Cole's home. The boy says "come with me, I'll show you where my dad has the gun". I thought "why this ghost is in Cole's home, and thought about the idea that they just look for the boy when they're dead because they need him.

Thanks, I think we're really clearing the meaning and the holes that I had found on the film.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on July 22, 2008, 02:49:13 AM
:) this is why it's interesting to be here :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: marco on September 01, 2008, 08:10:07 AM
I think Cole knows that Malcolm is dead from the beginning,but he doesn't want to tell him directly because that would change their relationship.Cole needs help with the ghosts,and he thinks that Malcolm is the right person to help him.This would explain the confession Cole did to Malcolm: he didn't say it directly,but he explained him everything (in details),so that Malcolm could find a way to help him.That's my point of view :D
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on September 01, 2008, 01:09:26 PM
yeah cole definititely knows malcom is a ghost from the beginning. just look at his reaction the first time he sees him.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on September 09, 2008, 05:12:35 PM
I have to agree with most people on this board, I don't find any holes in it, they're all explained away in the movie, just watch carefully and you'll notice that it all works out.  Night himself said it was hard to film because you had to film it two ways.  1.For first time viewers.  2.For return viewers.  So some of the stuff which might seem confusing at first, might make more sense the second time around.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 09, 2008, 12:17:13 PM

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The first time Doctor Crow meets Cole he says: "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." Well, who has given him an appointment if he's dead? Who has called him and said "could you please visiti my son, he has some problems"?
Hi everyone ! It's been a while I didn"t come because I went in Ireland and then lessons began again at University. I wondered the same the thing but I can propose you some suggestions. Maybe the boy already had a meeting with Malcolm . U know some meetings with specialists are very long. So maybe .... and we know at the beginning that Malcolm is well-known for his very good work. I think it's the most probable explanation . Malcolm is already dead, but because he doesn"t it he continues his life and the boy who can see him like other people walking in the street, sees him as a normal person not as a dead one. But he seems to feel it at the beginning because he runs away to the church which is a place where he's alone and dead people can't come in .
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There's another moment not very clear: Cole has a bad moment at the school and he goes to the director room, where he's alone when the doctor comes. But..who has called the doctor to tell him about that problem at the school? How did he know that the boy was there? If he's dead he should not know these things.
I think Malcolm is already dead but knows this kind of information because he is obsessed with the boy . He is always thinking of him day and night. Some maybe he saw what happened . But you're gonna reply me : and he doesn't know he is dead ? I really think Malcolm doesn't know he is dead at the beginning. Then, this idea that he's maybe dead goes through his mind but he is just thinking that his life is dead ' because he  thinks his wife doesn"t love him anymore". He is dead in relationships with people and particularly his wife. He is dead inside. But he doesn"t know he is dead, and in grave . Then , maybe he realized it but he didn't want to believe it because he had a mission : to help this little boy . A,d theur relationship is not in one way because Malcolm helps the little boy to accept dead people and to help them. He helped him to accept life. And the little boy helped Malcolm to realize he's dead and death in a general way.

Please correct me if mistakes I study english at university it'd be useful :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on October 10, 2008, 05:12:48 AM
Hi Erin,
I prefer not to correct your english, it seems advanced level, and I'm spanish, so I think I also will have many errors.
Anyway, thanks for giving us your opinion about my question. I really like to know how you all see this movie and how people answer my question. There's still something that doesn`t work, but after all the answers that you have given in this psot my ideas about was wrong in the film are desapeaaring, so it is that nowaday I like more this film than I liked before.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 10, 2008, 02:21:53 PM
In this movie, we have to assume that a lot of supernatural things are going on. One thing we know for sure is that each ghost who does not move on has something they need to resolve in the world of the living. Malcom's problem is obviously his failure to help the other boy who sees dead people. So Malcom and Cole are actually helping each other. The other ghosts are alwys tied to the places and events related to the thing they need to resolve, that's why Malcom is always tied to his wife and to Cole. Malcom, himself, said he just showed up in places without knowing how he got there, so he is probably just being transported to where he needs to be. It's possible that cole was already on a list of patients for him to see when he died, but that doesnt have to be the case. Malcom probably just showed up with that idea in his head because that was his obsession.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 13, 2008, 01:43:04 PM
Very good point Namaste, I hadn't thought of it that way.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 14, 2008, 11:36:47 AM
Hi Erin,
I prefer not to correct your english, it seems advanced level, and I'm spanish, so I think I also will have many errors.
Anyway, thanks for giving us your opinion about my question. I really like to know how you all see this movie and how people answer my question. There's still something that doesn`t work, but after all the answers that you have given in this psot my ideas about was wrong in the film are desapeaaring, so it is that nowaday I like more this film than I liked before.

Thank you so much ! You can't imagine how it makes me happy :)
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 14, 2008, 11:38:09 AM
In this movie, we have to assume that a lot of supernatural things are going on. One thing we know for sure is that each ghost who does not move on has something they need to resolve in the world of the living. Malcom's problem is obviously his failure to help the other boy who sees dead people. So Malcom and Cole are actually helping each other. The other ghosts are alwys tied to the places and events related to the thing they need to resolve, that's why Malcom is always tied to his wife and to Cole. Malcom, himself, said he just showed up in places without knowing how he got there, so he is probably just being transported to where he needs to be. It's possible that cole was already on a list of patients for him to see when he died, but that doesnt have to be the case. Malcom probably just showed up with that idea in his head because that was his obsession.

Yeah If you don't believe is supernatural, some things can't work . Shyamalan forced you to believe in it .

PS: I'm sorry if double posts are not accepted .
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 14, 2008, 03:37:26 PM
Hey Erin, you can go back in and edit your posts, so you could just combine them.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 14, 2008, 03:45:19 PM
This is true... click "modify"

Is it just me or does Erin sound really attractive?
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Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 15, 2008, 12:54:09 PM
Ummm,  :-[ awkward silence.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 15, 2008, 03:12:03 PM
lol sorry for being human :P
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 16, 2008, 01:28:46 PM
It's cool, it was just kind of odd.  Was that a trick, maybe your not human, but a ghost.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 16, 2008, 10:26:38 PM
i see attractive people..all the time, walking around like regular people. they don't know they're attractive.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: ALF on October 17, 2008, 06:51:15 AM
i see attractive people..all the time, walking around like regular people. they don't know they're attractive.


Hahahahahahah, that sentece made me really smile, very nice Namaste
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Post by: Namaste on October 17, 2008, 01:27:18 PM
tadaaa  ;D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GldaunhaG-U
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 19, 2008, 07:47:10 AM
This is true... click "modify"

Is it just me or does Erin sound really attractive?

What d'you mean ?
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 19, 2008, 10:44:47 PM
This is true... click "modify"

Is it just me or does Erin sound really attractive?

What d'you mean ?
I think attractive translates pretty much the same word in french... as in, something pleasant that draws one to it.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 20, 2008, 11:55:48 AM
Thanks ! exactly the translation is quite the same but I wanted to be sure you know when u talk a language which is not you mother tongue language you misunderstand sometimes so :) thanks
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 20, 2008, 01:01:19 PM
Hey Erin, how long did it take you to learn English?
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Erin on October 20, 2008, 01:10:13 PM
In France, we study english at primary school by now . But I started to learn it when I was 11 I think or something like that ... I'm 18  nearly 19 . So I study english for 8 years . Why ?
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 20, 2008, 01:14:00 PM
Cool!   you should come to the USA some time and practice.
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Post by: Erin on October 20, 2008, 01:46:59 PM
Oh I' d like to go to New York ! I love the USA ! what a great country !  But these times, in France, medias can't stop talking about american elections, but I'm not sure we understand very well what's happening actually.  ::)
I went 3 times in Ireland, my favorite country ever !
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 21, 2008, 12:48:01 PM
My sister went to Ireland, she loved it.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on October 21, 2008, 01:41:16 PM
Thanks for your post Erin, and for giving some answers.
I know what you mean, and I don't discuss about the beauty of this film, I really liked it, but for me it's just impossible that a ghost doesn't realize that he's a ghost. Put yourself in the place of a ghost: you wake up one day and don't know you're dead, what would you do? Yo'd continue your normal life, untill you'd realize that something's wrong, because no one talks to you and people don't see you. Maybe your wife could be angry with you and doesn't want to talk to you, but what about the others?

The trick is that the moments when it could be obvious that he's a ghost are cut, in order to surprise us and also the man, but it has no sense for me that a ghost doesn't realizae he's a ghost.

Actually, a defined theory about ghosts and their behavior indicates that beings become ghosts when there are emotions which do not allow to dissapear (in simple words, I'm trying to avoid terminology) as such. This explains why almost every single ghost ever has some "unfinished business" with the living, why they are restless or why  they show particular obsessions with specific elements of common life. It has to do with simplicity of emotions and intelligence. Think about an animal. Say, let's take a dog eg. A dog, if gets a wrong impulse in it's head, will bark at the freaky dwarf in the neighbour's garden for the rest of it's life, never to realize there's no point in doing it. A ghost operates the same way. When materialises, it is composed of basic thoughts. Shyamalan's ghosts are much more complex - but they still cannot understand some things (eg. all ghosts kid sees, they all know they are ghosts (more or less) but still continue on doing what they remember - the most painful point of their life - vicious death) You can draw line here with Sixth sense, because Shyamalan, like S.King, always does his research before doing a movie.

Modern japanese horrors (Ring, Grudge, Shutter, Hair, etc) are all based around ghost's final emotion, and obsession with unjustice. Just like in those, when Shyamalan serves justice through Malcolm and Cole, all spirits rest.
Title: Re: Is the film a trick?
Post by: Namaste on October 21, 2008, 03:08:37 PM


Shyamalan's ghosts are much more complex - but they still cannot understand some things (eg. all ghosts kid sees, they all know they are ghosts (more or less) but still continue on doing what they remember - the most painful point of their life - vicious death)

Cole believes they don't know they're dead. And Malcom certainly didnt know he was dead. The 2 ghosts he helps though (besides malcom) seemed to understand that they needed someone's help to communicate with the world of the living. The other ghosts didnt seem to know they wer dead though, just trapped in an emotion or moment. (anger, mischief, hanging from a rope, fear)
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Post by: Decadent Sympozium on October 21, 2008, 04:04:32 PM
There you go. Both of three ( :P) probabilities, however, fit intotheory of ghosts/spirits. If you take that Ghosts don't exist (in general opinion), then discussing this is pointless, anyone can describe and bring them to life the way they want. If, however, you want to look at it from the semi-scientific point of view, believeing or knowing they do exist, theories that were written to this point of time go on hand to Shyamalan's idea of ghosting, and one should not question his definition, although, ofcourse, anyone is free to believe that it doesn't make sense. It may havesomething to do with Sixth sense, perhaps? :P
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Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 24, 2008, 06:16:07 PM
Night puts research into his movies, they all make sense, and could plausibly, up to a point, work.
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Post by: Erik on April 09, 2011, 08:21:02 AM
hmm...

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