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Title: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 28, 2008, 12:27:43 PM
I was on Yahoo movies and they had The Happening as one of the 10 worst horror films.  I disagree, but I don't watch that many horror films.  Just thought it would be interesting to see what other people thought.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Rohan on October 28, 2008, 02:48:24 PM
I was on Yahoo movies and they had The Happening as one of the 10 worst horror films.  I disagree, but I don't watch that many horror films.  Just thought it would be interesting to see what other people thought.

May be YAHOO guys didn't get it. After all, they are net nerds. I don't blame them.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Erik on October 29, 2008, 06:30:57 AM
After all, they are net nerds. I don't blame them.

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Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 29, 2008, 12:28:42 PM
It just kind of surprised me.  I mean I know a lot people didn't like, though a lot did like it, I just didn't think it was that bad.  Course I really like it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on October 29, 2008, 02:49:34 PM
Um, the same way they put LitW in horror movies.

We're talking about retards who probably don't even check the film because it takes a very low amount of intellect to notice they are not horror movies. Or they are just being ingorant and play smart because they know Shyamalan does it his way. However, if the case is as mentioned above - that they do watch the movie and put it under horrors, rating it as horror should be rated, means they posses lower than above mentioned amount of intellect and forth should not be taken into concern. - like theRazzie award, for example. Whoever takes it seriously even with the smallest pinch should consider retirement from movie observance and film industry.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Rohan on October 30, 2008, 09:58:01 AM
I wonder why they are still considering LITW as horror movie. Critics or whoever sits behind a monitor and writes a review they all think that all M.Night films are horror...

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: GothMan on October 30, 2008, 11:15:04 AM
I wonder why they are still considering LITW as horror movie. Critics or whoever sits behind a monitor and writes a review they all think that all M.Night films are horror...



Oh yes. And because of this misunderstanding they expect M. Night to make the 'Sixth Sense' again and again... Lame.  :-X
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on October 30, 2008, 12:17:48 PM
Yeah..none of Shyamalan's movies were what people thought they were. they are not superhero movies, or ghost movies, or fantasy, or sci-fi....yet when people look at them as though they are, they are disappointed. It's like looking at michaelangelo's statue of David as a porno...it really sucks as a pornographic work. I believe the Happening was an exaggeration of what people think a horror movie is, and it was intentionally a poor version of a horror movie. People who want to see a horor movie when they watch the happening just have no idea what's really going on.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on October 30, 2008, 04:58:00 PM
I hate to play devils advocate here:

but seriosly guys. we need to stop thinking in this M NIGHT Shell and stop praising every single thing he does as if it is some sort of act of God Himself.

Seriously, the guy can make mistakes. Too. Lets face it: If 90 percent of people who saw the Happening didnt like it, its not like a "glass half full-half empty situation". Its not like 90 percent of people are idiots.

They didnt like the movie BECAUSE they thought it was a bad movie.

And ill admit this straight up: i liked the movie BECAUSE it was Shyamalan. If it wasnt Shyamalan who made I would be saying that that was the stupidest piece of crap ever made.

So when Yahoo rates the movie as a top 10 worst horror film, you can't be like ?they're all just net nerds? (what are we doing right now, guys?). PEOPLE HATED THAT MOVIE.

And I just think its stupid to praise the things that we know are bad because of the people who made them. I think its time we accept the fact that some movies suck and we should accept the fact. Because the more we don't the more we come off like some snobbish group that sees things one way and one way only.

(But seriously, this movie has so many Razzies heading for it, it?s not even funny.)

As fans, we shouldnt lose hope. Thats what Im trying to say. I love Night. Him and Spielberg are my favorites. Let's just learn to accept some things and admire the parts that are good.

Or we just ending up sounding stupid and oblivious to facts..

For example, this comment by ?Namaste? made in the previous reply:
?[The Happening] was intentionally a poor version of a horror movie?
Honestly, ?Namaste?, who the hell sets out to make a bad movie? Lets not try to find some excuse.

Im sorry to be this honest. But lets not be oblivious guys.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on October 30, 2008, 05:49:06 PM
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Seriously, the guy can make mistakes. Too. Lets face it: If 90 percent of people who saw the Happening didnt like it, its not like a "glass half full-half empty situation". Its not like 90 percent of people are idiots.

Or they are. 90% people didn't notice all characters start with J, didn't see the point of math, didn't connect mrs. Jones with M Nature, didn't notice link between LitW and Happening, didn't notice specific use of melodies, didn't notice animal immunity, didn't pay attention to colors, and so on. Oh, I forgot, and thinks Transformers is the best movie ever made. Pardon. Cloverfield. A person that can't notice and connect these things didn't get the movie. NOT to mention LitW oR Unbreakable. If you don't get something - it's automatically not as good as it may be or actually is. I'm sorry but I tend to spend hours discussing about his movies with people, eg. Lady in the Water, only to realize after 2 hours that they think she lived in the pool since birth. "Did you like Unbreakable?" "T'was ok." "Did you like his theory of antipodal spectrum balance?" "Umm..wha'?".Sorry that's the sum of 90% I met so far, including sensible majority of idiots from imdb.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on October 31, 2008, 12:00:28 AM
Yeah I would say 90% of people don't understand Jackson Pollock, but his works are some of the most famous among artists and art-educated people. Shyamalan is the same way. It's just that when you look at his work with an un-trained eye you miss all of the beauty of it. And I still believe The Happening was meant to be a sort of bad horror spoof (at least the main premise of it) And most of my friends don't believe in Shyamalan's genius..but after I explain his movies, they love them. I used to think modern art was dumb until my sister (art minor, theater major) walked me through the national art gallery in Washington DC and explained the works to me and what was going on. Now I appreciate it as an indirect or abstract form of expression which can sometimes even surpass representational art.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 31, 2008, 12:31:57 PM
First off, I disagree, I don't think 90% of people disliked it, just look at the sales, now it wasn't a huge hit or anything, but it did well and people were entertained.  Some people watch movies for just the pure look of it, I don't, but that means some people aren't going to like Night's films because they don't want to take the time to think about it.  There are two forms of filmmaking, 1. the pure entertainment side, and 2. the artistic/message side.  Some people like both, others like only one, and that tends to lean towards the pure entertainment side.  I'd say don't bash people for their movie tastes, but try to explain why you like or dislike a certain movie.  That said some people just wont listen and there's nothing you can do about it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on October 31, 2008, 01:45:37 PM
well the sales numbers come from people who watched it..not from people who liked it. you have to watch it before you can decie whether or not you liked it
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Rohan on October 31, 2008, 06:02:48 PM
I think M.Night made the THE HAPPENING on purpose. I mean the way it is directed, its on purpose. I think he just wanted to make fun of people who think that all his movies are horror with twist ending.

The Twist in THE HAPPENING is the wind and all the invisible force.

And I think THE LAST AIRBENDER should change everything. At least the mind of those who think that his movies are all twist and horror.

Rohan
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 01, 2008, 05:52:57 PM
PLAYING DEVILS ADVOCATE:


Quote from Above Explaining that 90 percent of people Didn't get the movie cause 90% percent of the people who watch it are idiots:
"They are [idiots]. 90% people didn't notice all characters start with J, didn't see the point of math, didn't connect mrs. Jones with M Nature, didn't notice link between LitW and Happening, didn't notice specific use of melodies, didn't notice animal immunity, didn't pay attention to colors, and so on. Oh, I forgot, and thinks Transformers is the best movie ever made."

Im gonna break this up bit by bit. First off, WHO THE Duck CARES THAT ALL THE NAMES START WITH J. What is that supposed to mean. They're names!
2. The Math? Ummm. Explain to me what we didnt get while hearing about the math. Nobody doubted the math. Everyone understood the fact that plants can respond to stimuli, whatever. The reason the math was there was just to prove that point. What other freaking reason is there?
3. And if they suddenly connected the fact that Mrs. Jones was Mother Nature, then people would have liked it???
4. Same with Melodies, Colors, and Animal immnunity.
5. THe reason people like Transformers is because it doesn't try to be anything it isn't. It doesn't try to be a good. EVeryone knows it is not a good movie. But people like for the entertainment.

Now, the basis for all Cinema is one word: STORY. You don't have story, you don't have nothing. Im not saying is the Happening didn't have story. Im saying that forget melodies, colors, and math crap - the ONLY THING THAT MATTERS IS STORY.

People didn't like the HAPPENING because a. it was unbelievable and b. it was executed poorly.

And honestly, if you have to EXPLAIN the movie to everyone who didn't like it, you know that there's something wrong with the movie. Something the movie did not do. The Happening had great potential but it was a poorly executed film.

WE all know Shyamalan can do great things. Im not saying he isn't a genius. That's why I'm here. But by saying 90 percent of people who see it are dumb or whatever and can't get what he's trying to see is stupid beyond all comparison, because I know a TON of people (film teachers, critics, friends, etc...) who love the things Shyamalan does and they hated this movie.

This movie was bound to be a hit. It made a lot of money in the OPENING WEEKEND ONLY. People saw it on Nights name alone. Then it had one of the largest dives of profit to the next week in film history - over a 70 percent loss. That means something.

And let's face it: The script sucked. Parts of it had potential. In fact THE WHOLE MOVIE HAD THE POTENTIAL TO BE LIKE SIGNS. ITS A VERY SIMILIAR STORY -  a supernatural event that's a backdrop for how couple learns to love eachother again.
That's such a beautiful line.

But it was ruined by the script. For example. in the most climactic scene of the movie - Mark and Zooey walk out and hug and what do they say: "It must have JUST ended."

Wow. Shyamalan can do better than that.

Guys. I love you all. I love the fact that we're all in with Shyamalan, you know. But stop throwing crap out saying people loved this movie. Are Critics Dumbasses, too??. I mean the movie has a very low score on Rotten Tomotoes. THat means something. Obviously no movie goes unliked. It has its supporters. But when a ton of people say it sucks you gotta start listening to them and stop living in a hole.

Finally, again, I end with a quote by Namaste (sorry for bashing you again):

"And I still believe The Happening was meant to be a sort of bad horror spoof (at least the main premise of it)"

WHO THE HELL GOES OUT TO MAKE A BAD MOVIE. A B MOVIE IS NOT A BAD MOVIE. AND BY MAKING A BAD HORROR MOVIE, SHYAMALAN IS NOT BEING A GENIUS AND HE's DEFINETLY NOT OUTSMARTING EVERYONE--- HES THROWING HIS CAREER AWAY.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 01, 2008, 05:59:50 PM
I'm starting to think cleveland heep is one of those [people] who didnt get it...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 01, 2008, 06:16:50 PM
Namaste, what is there to get???

Ive seen the movie at least 8 times. Tell me something me or anyone of the other people who didn't like it missed.

if you can't critique him, what's the point?
Just form a freaking religion after him.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 01, 2008, 08:50:47 PM
Please lower your caps next time, I'd f*cking slap you right now. We ain?t idiots and can read properly. I?m also not quoting you because formation of your post is incredibly annoying, so I?ll just give a hint to which part I?m reffering.

[The who cares part n? all]

Yup, that?s exactly a type of opinion which made modern children immune to art and spirit. Who cares if there?s 1 movie in 3 years which steps out of superhero-comic-old-books-new-books-someone else?s story-quickly-scrabbled for screening movies. Who cares if movie?s scenario and directing is of such precise methodology and formal logic based on scientific facts and knowledge that one can draw each scene, and each line of speech together without probable gap. Who cares if there?s a film director of SF movies who can actually send a message, and can actually spend below 100 mil. $ to make one without looking like crap.(not that modern 3d engineering looks good, though. Just sharp)


[the story part?]

Yeah, just try to prove Happening has no story. I?d really love to see that. I got all excited thinking about your process of proving. (Oh, wait, you won?t do it.)

[people didn't like the HAPPENING because a. it was unbelievable and b. it was executed poorly?]

Yeah?this nature SF movie is so unbeliavable?while LitW, Unbreakable, Signs and Sixth Sense really are, I was totally into them! I was into ET aswell! And reality of War of the Worlds totally blew me off. I also believed See no Evil is very real?Spiderman, and Star Wars, now that?s a religion man, not just being or not being real...give me a break. You plan to defend your point with these arguments? Might as well decide not to type anymore. Poor execution, lol. I very much doubt you can judge that. The only thing poor in this movie is acting and personally I could never understand why was it that bad. Even if he might think that this unexpected events might affect people precisely like that: put them in emotionless disbelief, he still should have pulled an acting role atleast to some point of charm.

[And honestly, if you have to explain the movie to everyone who didn't like it, you know that there's something wrong with the movie. Something the movie did not do. The Happening had great potential but it was a poorly executed film.]

Not really, no. That means that there?s something wrong with Baudelaire, too. I am not sure you have dares to claim there?s something wrong with Baudelaire. He?s just far beyond understandings of little citizenship.

[shyamalan?s genious but happening is crap and I know people?]

That?s where ideas may differ. You cannot possibly call Happening crap. Hate it. You may hate it because it?s not as good as his other films, feeling dissapointed or so, but not hate it for itself alone. You may dislike poor acting, be dissapointed by visual simplicity or whatever, but you may not call that movie crap. Calling it crap (or any similar phrase) makes you ignorant to the importancy and content of his creation.


[This movie was bound to be a hit part?]

No, not really. No one expected it to be a hit. Perhaps USA residents. I don?t know anyone who thought it will be a hit. All I met thought it will underachieve. I agreed.

[the script sucked part?]

Script didn?t suck. The dialogue wasn?t good and acting was bad (bad acting is often followed by crappy dialogue, or vice-versa). Nothing else sucked. I?ll repeat myself, I don?t know why that happened. The movie itself was designed raw on purpose, but poor acting has no argument. Although one may say he did it on purpose, and that may be correct to some point, it?s not a way to approach to audience. Film-making, after all, is based around?well?acting.


[rotten tomato part?]

I?m anti-rm. I do not approve anything they write, so this argument kinda bounces off me. I also do not like public critic, those who apparantly think their word is given by god and who battle for their space and time in newspaper/shows. All of them have serious insight disorders and many, many personal issues I cannot really explain but to mention their defeat in LitW. Anyone who can?t say anything good about any movie which didn?t come pleasant to himself is not a good critic and shouldn?t be taken seriously. That?s what an old maestro of film critic from Croatia said and it 100% stands.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 02, 2008, 02:11:29 PM
So anyone who didn't like Lady in the Water is a terrible critic
and anyone who didn't like The Happening is a terrible critic??


Wow.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 02, 2008, 11:53:26 PM
They don't have to like it..but they have to recognize it was technically a good movie.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: marco on November 03, 2008, 08:01:11 AM
I understand the point of view of Cleveland Heep and I agree with him when he says (tell me if I'm wrong) that The Happening was developed badly in terms of story.I had the feeling that facts,characters and a big part of the dialogues weren't the best Shyamalan could do.However,even if I'm sure that this is his worst movie (entertainingly speaking,because my knowledge of cinematography is very poor),I still loved some brilliant ideas he put into it,that made me recognise his genius even in this movie (I'm referring especially at people walking backwards and the annihilation of the self-conservation instinct).
I also have to disagree with Namaste when he says that this is an intentional parody/spoof movie,because I read a lot interviews released by Shyamalan himself where he clearly states that his intentions were to make a horror b-movie to scare people,not to make them laugh (because that's the aim of a parody).
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 03, 2008, 10:27:41 AM
Yeah, I agree the story could have been stronger. It would have made a good movie great (like gattaca, which has great technical and symbolic qualities, but also an amazing story for first-time watchers)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 04, 2008, 12:03:30 AM
Story is everything.

Without a story, there is no movie.  Cinema is our modern-day form of storytelling, and without story, "storytelling" doesn't exist. 

So when Decadent Sympozium claims, "The script didn't suck. The dialogue was bad and the acting was bad..." that is such a self-refuting statement.  Dialogue and action are the script and the script is the story.  When the entire script is composed of empty, cheesy dialogue, how do you expect the script to be so profound?  I am not saying that Shyamalan cannot write a script, The Sixth Sense and Unbreakable remain two of my favorite movies, and two outstanding scripts.  I am claiming, however, that The Happening was a complete and utter failure when it comes down the the quality of the story.  The script is the foundation for the rest of the movie, and when that fails, so does the rest of the project.

That being said, I completely agree with Cleveland Heep in some of the points that he made.  M. Night has created masterpeices through film, that is an undeniable fact.  And as much as people would like to say The Happening falls under the category of "amazing," it's simply not true.  From an entirely objective standpoint, The Happening remains a bad movie.  You don't have to be a film expert to understand that the dialogue was cheesy, the acting was bad, the characters weren't believable, etc.  Remember the part in the movie towards the very end When Elliot and Alma go outside to be with eachother "when it all ends?"  That scene is supposed to be the climax of the movie.  Alma and Elliot finally rekindle they're love, and in that scene we see hope.  If the movie ended with them being affected by the happening, and they killed themselves, it would have been a beautiful scene.  Except they lived, the screen faded to black and a VO from Elliot says, "I guess the event stopped right before we went outside."  That is just sheer laziness.  In past films, Shyamalan has proved his writing skills to be creative, smart, and original.  Now, Sympozium, if that same scene had been in any other movie not written/directed/produced by your boyhood idol and godhead Shyamalan, you would have found it just as repulsive and unbelievable as I did.

And how does mathematical assimilation and character's names beginning with the letter "j" make The Happening a good fim?  It doesn't!  It just proves that Shyamalan knows how to integrate symbolism into his art, and it holds no relevence to the overall quality of the film.  That was an extremely weak point and pitiful excuse to try to make The Happening seem like a better movie than it was.

Now on a slightly different note, from a cinematographical perspective, The Happening looked great.  The shots were unique, yet technical, and the color integration and symbolism was superb.  I have always seen Shyamalan as a fantastic visionary.  Some of the shots in Unbreakable never cease to amaze me.  Like the first scene we see David Dunn, the entire scene is one shot, seen from in between two chairs on a bullet train.  Not only did the shot look amazing, but the dialogue and action in the scene revealed a plethora of information about the character.  I don't need to re-tell each tremendous shot that Shyamalan has pulled off in his carreer.  I could be here all day.  The point I'm trying to make is that great shots and outsanding visuals do not make a movie.  Sure they look nice, and they reflect the director's knowledgle and hard work that he/she put into his/her film, but they don't determine whether or not a good movie has been made.

Namaste, I couldn't agree more with the first comment that you posted.  Most people are disappointed with Shyamalan's films when they walk into the theatre waiting to see some horror flick.  Anyone who cares about the films that Shyamalan makes knows that his movies focus on somthing outside of whatever "event" is happening.  Signs is about a pastor who lost his faith, not so much about aliens who carve maps into corn-fields somewhere in Philadelphia.  The Village is a love story, not so much a story about creatures who live in the nearby forest.  Unbreakable is about a man discovering himself and his ultimate purpose, not so much a superhero movie.  The Happening not only lacked a creative event for a story to take place in, but it also did a terrible job at showing the love story between Alma and Elliot.  Shyamalan is a genius when it comes to writing a story that takes place during a supernatural event, but it's almost as if he's lost that creative ability to come up with those types of events.  The Happening also showed me that he's lost the ability to write the deeper, more important story that is focused on throughout the film.  The Happening was a disappointment.  It had a weak story, an uninteresting event, anemic characters and a feeble plot.  The movie doesn't have to be compared to the rest of Shyamalan's films to uphold its crappiness.

I am impatiently waiting for the day for Shyamalan to make his "comeback," so to speak.  I know what he is capable of and I know how great of a filmaker he is, although he hasn't been on his "A-game" lately.  The Happening was not a strong peice of art.  It left many people foiled and unsatisfied.  It just wasn't an accurate reflection of Shyamalan's artistic talent that we have seen so many times in the past.  You are allowed to dislike the Happening, and be a fan of M. Night at the same time.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 04, 2008, 04:13:43 AM
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Dialogue and action are the script and the script is the story. 

No, that's just plain wrong. You also either mistyped it or misunderstood me, because I wrote acting, not actions, since acting and actions are two different non-paralel universes. Metropolis has no dialogue, exept five very normal, usual sentences, yet it is a devastatingly good movie even for modern times. Mulholland Drive or Man from Earth basically have no story what so ever but are brilliantly architected with scenes/dialogue that made major difference. Ubreakable, eg, is a complete set of three. Kind of an epitome. Dialogue has nothing to do with the story, the only thing dialogue has to do with the story is bringing it up better, or, better say, drawing us in better. That's cruical but nothing relevant to the story itself, if you can draw understanding from my "philosophious" isolation of term "story".
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 04, 2008, 01:26:24 PM
M. Night missed the mark on this movie.  I baught the DVD and watched it over and over and over again, trying to love it, but I don't love it.  I think M. Night over hyped this movie, comparing it The Exorist and other classic movies, saying that "He'll show you things so where you know you're not safe."  M. Night hyped this movie up as a scare fest, now, hard core M. Night fans know to look more into his movies to get the real meaning out of them, where as the normal movie goer who also LOVES movies, don't go to movies to analyze every frame to see what meaning it has in the cosmos, they just go for the entertainment value of it, and there's nothing wrong with that.  They're not dumb or stupid because of how they choose to watch movies, if that's what they want to do it's there right. 

I went into this movie expecting M. Night's way of telling stories, however, when he compared it to all those other movies I expected a bit more and got a lot less.  Now, I like this movie, but not for it being a Horror movie at all, I liked it because it's to me a love story with this supernatural componant added to it.  The parts where people were killing themselves was NOT scary, I'm sorry, but it wasn't, comparing it to itself.  There's a difference between a shock and a scare, a shock bolts you for a second, a scare stays with you for a while.  I was a little shocked at some part of the movie, but I was never scared.   I can see how hw got the R rating because of the shock of what he's show us, but theis movie didn't earn it.  Look at movies like "Seven or Silence of the Lambs or The Exorist or Alien or The Omen or Jaws etc.  All of these moves got their ratings because of what we saw, but unlike the Happening, they earned every bit of their rating.  All of these movies have had numerous DVD encarnations, why because they're really great movies.  The Happening won't get a 15th or 20th anniversory DVD.  I hope people in here can admit (if not with this movie, some other movie that not all of Night's work will be good).

I understood every message in the movie and I love M. Night as much as anyone in here, but he missed the mark on this one.  It's a love story to me with supernatural elements, not a horror movie.  Both Signs and The Sixth Sense are horror movies and they both have a lesser rating.         
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 04, 2008, 01:31:32 PM
Story is everything.
Without a story, there is no movie.  Cinema is our modern-day form of storytelling, and without story, "storytelling" doesn't exist. 

That's like saying paintings should all be representational. I think film can be abstract. It doesnt have to fit in a box. In fact, the first films didn't have any story to them at all..they were experimental and focused on cutting edge (at the time) technical aspects more than anything.

For that matter, i feel like literature can be abstract, and not have to tell a story or make any linear sense at all. It can still be artistically significant.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 04, 2008, 01:58:52 PM
Wow, I don't really know what to say.  I think there are people that are going to like it and there are people that won't.  I can see how the critics didn't like it, though I must say it does seem like they're out to get Night, and the American people tend to like action, which was not in The Happening.  I feel like the worst part of the film was the script, I've read the original script, which I felt was a lot better, and a lot more scary, I'd be interested to know what went on in the discussions between Night and Fox, and what they wanted from him.  Anyways, I've got to go so I'll post more on this later.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 04, 2008, 02:05:40 PM
To a strong extent, Prince111 really demonstrated exactly what I felt.
Going into an M. Night Movie, I tried hard to love it. And while the movie was being bashed, I tried hard to find the good things and keep going on about how the film was still good.

Dear Namaste (or any person who agrees with her previous reply about art),

NO ONE - AND I MEAN NO ONE - DENIES THE FACT THAT THE HAPPENING LOOKED GOOD or was ARTISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT. TECHNICALLY, THE FILM WAS SPOT ON. SPOT ON.
CINEMATOGRAPHY WAS 100 PERCENT. COLORS WERE BEAUTIFUL. THE MUSIC WAS FANTASTIC.


But this movie was simply preposterous because unlike any other movies of his, it didn't make you BELIEVE.
Signs made you believe the Event. Unbreakable made you believe in the Event. The Village made you believe in the Event. Sixth Sense made you believe. (Lady in the Water made you believe to an extent)
The Happening made no one believe.

People laughed in the theaters I saw it in. THEY LAUGHED. That is not a good sign.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 04, 2008, 02:06:23 PM
Well, Namaste, are you now admitting that The Happening had no story?  And that it is just an abstract piece of art?  What I said was that without story, storytelling doesn't exist.  I never claimed that art doesn't exist without story. 

Sympozium, Metropolis is a script full of dialogue.  The movie has over 80 title cards, and we're talking about dialogue in a silent film.  Are you claiming that Metropolis would have remained a fantastic movie without the dialogue?  Hmmm...

Are you saying that Mulholland Drive had no story?  And that the only reason the movie was good was because of the clever shots and technicalities of the cinematography?  Mulholland Drive has a story, whether or not you understood it.
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Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 04, 2008, 02:14:24 PM

Signs made you believe the Event. Unbreakable made you believe in the Event. The Village made you believe in the Event. Sixth Sense made you believe. (Lady in the Water made you believe to an extent)
The Happening made no one believe.

Now on this I have to agree. This is very much a correct spot and something I didn't think about.

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People laughed in the theaters I saw it in. THEY LAUGHED. That is not a good sign.

Mine was dead serious, though... :P
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 04, 2008, 06:31:17 PM
Well, Namaste, are you now admitting that The Happening had no story?  And that it is just an abstract piece of art?  What I said was that without story, storytelling doesn't exist.  I never claimed that art doesn't exist without story. 

I already said the story could have been stronger. you didnt say art can't exist without story, but you did say cinema can't exist without story. and cinema is art. (most of the time, lol) And yes, I believe the happening is leaning toward abstract. That's the way I appreciate it anyway.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 05, 2008, 01:01:40 AM
We've all seen the amazing film making ability of Shyamalan, and we've also seen the rapid decline in the quality and the believabilty of the ficticious events that he revolves his films around.  We also all agree that most of his films are not primarily horror movies.  Clevelend Heep brought up a few very interesting and thought provoking ideas about Night's films.

Signs made you believe the Event. Unbreakable made you believe in the Event. The Village made you believe in the Event. Sixth Sense made you believe. (Lady in the Water made you believe to an extent)
The Happening made no one believe.

So what is the "remedy" so to speak for Shyamalan's movies?  That's when I came up with this idea.

I'm going to use Signs as an example for my comparison between a good piece by Shyamalan, and The Happening as a "not-so-strong" piece by him.  The event that Shyamalan describes in Signs is so well written, that he can fully explain what is going on, and at the same time, he can tell an even better story about a pastor who lost his faith.  The Happening, on the other hand, did not adequately explain the event going on in the film enough to convince the audience.  Not only did this take away from the believability of the event, but it also took away from the focus of the film: the story about Elliot and Alma.  So what do you do when you can't explain a love story and a supernatural event at the same time?  You tell a love story (or whatever) set in an event or time that everyone can understand.  So what if Shyamalan took a different direction on his films, and told a story that takes place during an earthquake, or flood, or terrorist attack, or hostage situation or something?  He wouldn't need to spend so much time explaining the event, because it's something that everyone can understand or maybe relate to.  We haven't really seen something like this from him yet. And it just may be the type of film that he needs to make in order to prove his film making abilities to skeptics who no longer believe in him. 

All I'm suggesting is that Syamalan tells his story (whether that be a love story, or a "superhero story," etc.) ouside of science fiction.  Outside of a supernatural event.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 05, 2008, 11:10:29 AM
But this movie was simply preposterous because unlike any other movies of his, it didn't make you BELIEVE.
Signs made you believe the Event. Unbreakable made you believe in the Event. The Village made you believe in the Event. Sixth Sense made you believe. (Lady in the Water made you believe to an extent)
The Happening made no one believe.

People laughed in the theaters I saw it in. THEY LAUGHED. That is not a good sign.

I agree 100% Cleveland, you perhaps explained it better than me.  That's what I meant by it didn't earn the "R" rating because I didn't believe the event, one HAS to believe (in alot of ways) what they're seeing, when that happens they can then completely emmerce themselves in that world, then they will feel what the film maker truly intended for them to feel.   You won't and don't get that with just images that shock you.  Look at the movies Saw and Hostel for instance, I believed every gory and shocking moment in both those movies and I feel that comparing just the gory and shocking parts in The Happening to those two movies, it just doesn't stand up to them in this era of movies.  Ok, the lions scene and the John Deer over the man scene was kind of cool, but in order for those scenes to have had been more effective, the camera should have been inside the lawnmachine so that the audience could see the blades contacting with the man, and for the lion scene, looking back at the night scene in Signs when Mel Gibson's character was trying to feed his dog and it made a jump cut to his dog jumping up trying to attack him, if that had happened with the lion scene it would have been more effective in my opinion.  Now, this is just a theory.   I could be wrong, it's just what I believe could have made the "not safe (as M. Night put it), or gory/shocking element help in making people believe those componants of the movie.   
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 05, 2008, 03:26:14 PM
Yeah, it definately wasn't shocking, which took away some of the scare.  I think another reason why people didn't like it as much was the overt environmental message, I think it annoyed some people, and the scene at the end on the TV with the newscaster and the scientist, really messed with the momentum also.  I agree with Elijah Price though that Night should do something in a major catastrophe that's real, and then you can explore the characters more.  Or delve into how people react in times of stress, such as the people that boarded themselves into the house.  I felt those were the best death scenes, the opening scenes of people killing themselves with the hairpin and the jumping off the buildings, then the two boys getting shot.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 05, 2008, 04:18:02 PM
It's true, Shyamalan hasnt set his stories in any realistic events, yet. BUt that doesnt mean they aren't believeable or identifiable, because they are MOSTLY stock scenarios established by many fiction writers in the past. He just takes a different angle on them. Was it new to anyone that ghosts stick around because of unfinished business? or that super heroes always have a super weakness? or that woods monsters have long claws? No, because we've seen it done before, even though it's not real.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 05, 2008, 07:15:15 PM
I'll have to agree with you, Namaste.  Shyamalan takes "B" movie ideas and turns them into something phenominal.  Everyone has heard of ghosts hanging out for unfinished buisness and superheroes with super weaknesses.  But is it just me, or have you never heard of plants spontaneously releasing a chemical that causes people to comit suicide?  That was a new one...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 05, 2008, 07:18:51 PM
It's true, Shyamalan hasnt set his stories in any realistic events, yet. BUt that doesnt mean they aren't believeable or identifiable, because they are MOSTLY stock scenarios established by many fiction writers in the past. He just takes a different angle on them. Was it new to anyone that ghosts stick around because of unfinished business? or that super heroes always have a super weakness? or that woods monsters have long claws? No, because we've seen it done before, even though it's not real.

Yeah, but it's the poorly execution of it all that didn't make it real.  It has nothing to do with how many other directors or other stories like it or if it's based on real events, (although I'll have to agree with Mr. Glass in that the scene with the TV newscaster and the scientist messed with the momentum), it's all about execution.  The execution is what makes you believe anything in movies, especially if it's not a real event.

The best death scene in that whole movie like Mr. Glass said was the two boys getting shot.  That scene was crazy as hell.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 05, 2008, 11:21:49 PM
I agree.

And if I had to summarize the entirety of this conversation into one sentence it would be this:


"The Happening - a film with as much potential as Signs - is - against all our best wishes and hopes- a poorly executed film and from an OBJECTIVE perspective, a bad film."



THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TECHNICALITIES. TECHNICALLY, THE MOVIE WAS SPOT ON. IM JUST TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE Story.

I also agree with Elijah Price when he says the Happening tried to focus too hard on the Event itself - which it failed in doing - rather than the real story: the love story. I think it would be very interesting to see Shyamalan put us into a situation without a need for an explanation again.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 06, 2008, 02:06:57 AM


"The Happening - a film with as much potential as Signs - is - against all our best wishes and hopes- a poorly executed film and from an OBJECTIVE perspective, a bad film."


THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE TECHNICALITIES. TECHNICALLY, THE MOVIE WAS SPOT ON. IM JUST TALKING ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MADE THE Story.

so..its NOT objectively bad, but SUBJECTIVELY bad..
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 06, 2008, 01:13:55 PM
Aren't all movies subjected to everyones personal opinion about whether it was good or bad.  Also, one other thing that affected people, and made them not like it was it evironmentalist attitude.  It did appear somewhat heavy-handed, somewhat like Wall-E (which I have not seen, just heard a lot about).  I liked the original script where it was never fully explained, it was more of a Happening.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 06, 2008, 07:46:47 PM
I completely disagree.

The Environmental Warning Only Came at the End on the TV.


People hated the movie way before that.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 07, 2008, 12:22:30 AM
actually the environmentalist aspect was all throughout the film if you even half pay attention..i got it my first time through.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 07, 2008, 12:07:12 PM
Wow, Namaste!  You caught it the first time through?!  Well, aren't you just the cat's meow...

Mr. Glass plus others: The "environmentalist aspect" of the movie wasn't Shyamalan's one and only hope of making The Happening a good movie.  It wasn't like "the wild card" that determined whether or not people would have liked it.  And Andrew Stanton wrote Wall-E before global warming was being talked about on a large scale...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 07, 2008, 01:27:19 PM
Hey guys, calm down, otherwise this thread will get locked.  Elijah Price, I didn't say Night was using the environmental aspect as his only hope for a good movie, it was just one of the things that was in the film and may have helped toward the overall effect of people considering it a bad movie.  I know all about Andrew Stanton and Wall-E being written before global warming was talked about on a wide scale, the thing is though, popular opinion of people who hadn't seen it was like, "Hey, wasn't that movie just about humans trashing the planet and evrionmentalism and all that stuff."  I feel like people just don't want to see that in movies.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 07, 2008, 07:25:45 PM
Yeah, I got a bit carried away with the whole "environmentalist aspect" bash.  I guess I'm just getting tired of us trying to find different and new excuses to be able to call The Happening a good movie.

Also, I haven't really heard alot of people talking about the environment part of the film.  I haven't read it in reviews, brought it up in debates/discussions, and haven't heard alot of people talking about it who saw the movie.  Is it really a big deal?  Like are people bringing it up alot when you guys talk about it?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 07, 2008, 08:19:36 PM
Someone said it was a technically good movie, but how many people care about that up against the story and execution?  I venture to guess, not a whole bunch of people.  Not saying that it's not important, but I am saying that it's almost a useless aspect of this film when comparing it to the execution.  And I also understand that M. Night has a different way he tells stories, he just got this one wrong.  Everyone gets it wrong sometimes, hell Steven Spielberg even has movies that sucks, and he's the highest grossing director of all time.

I'm sorry, but it's true.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 07, 2008, 10:32:23 PM
Someone said it was a technically good movie, but how many people care about that up against the story and execution?  I venture to guess, not a whole bunch of people. 

I think that when people say it's technically a good movie, they are simply saying that it was well made aside from the actual story.  There is no doubt in my mind that The Happening is, in fact, a technically good movie.  And when I say that, I imply that Shyamalan knows how to make a film, and he is a knowledgable director.  It's just that he sorta flubbed up on The Happening's script, or overall plot/story.  I completely agree with you, Prince111.  Even if a movie looks good, if it's shot well, if the color's are great, if the symbolism is clever, it doesn't necessarily make it a good film. 

This same situation works vice-versa too.  If someone writes an amazing script with an amazing story and well developed, intricate characters, and places it in the hands of an ametuer director who knows little about the art of film, the movie won't be great.  Reviews of a movie like this would probably be along the lines of, "It was a clever idea that was poorly executed."

And I also understand that M. Night has a different way he tells stories, he just got this one wrong.

This is also true.  M. Night writes scripts that follows a unique format.  When I say format, I mean that the actual "story" of his scripts do not follow the traditional outline that other writers write their stories in. 

I believe alot of people mistake good aspects of a film for a good film.  There are alot of good aspects in The Happening, but overall, it was just a bad movie.  Alot of Shyamalan fans (including myself) watched the movie trying to find as much good as they could in the movie and liked it, because it was Shyamalan.  That being said, I think Prince111 hit the nail on the head.  Sure there are alot of technical aspects of the film that were executed very well, but because of the lack of a strong story, the movie failed. 
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 07, 2008, 11:55:52 PM
Yeah, I got a bit carried away with the whole "environmentalist aspect" bash.  I guess I'm just getting tired of us trying to find different and new excuses to be able to call The Happening a good movie.

Also, I haven't really heard alot of people talking about the environment part of the film.  I haven't read it in reviews, brought it up in debates/discussions, and haven't heard alot of people talking about it who saw the movie.  Is it really a big deal?  Like are people bringing it up alot when you guys talk about it?

maybe people dont bring it up so much because it's so obvious..i have heard some reviews talk about it though.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 08, 2008, 11:57:55 AM
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maybe people dont bring it up so much because it's so obvious

Namaste, two questions.

1:  Do you think The Happening still would have been The Happening without the environmental statements?

2:  What is your favorite movie of all time?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 08, 2008, 02:36:13 PM
Can I answer the questions, because I'm going too.  1. Yes it could have been, the original script wasn't as environmental, more of a straight up happening, that people don't understand.  2.  My favorite movie of all time is the Lord of the Rings. 
I liked The Happening, but the story isn't the strongest, yes, technically the film is very well made, and me being a student of film and wanting to go into filming this helped me to like it better.  BUT, the story is weak at points and the dialogue, usually one of Nights strongpoints was weak in this film.  Prince111 makes a goodp oint in that all directors don't score a major hit every time, though I wouldn't classify The Happening as a flop either.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 09, 2008, 12:52:41 AM
The Happening Was A Flop.

Not Commerically.
But Critically Yes.
Which means people went and saw based off of Night's name.

Its hard for us to say the Happening was a bad movie.

But I think we have to. We may still like it and say "Oh that part wasn't so strong" to the bad parts,
but if you look at it objectively, The Happening was a terrible film.

We just find the good in it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 09, 2008, 01:14:51 PM
LOL...here I am saying all of this stuff about his film and I still watch it trying to find new stuff in it.  I'm going to tell you something, if it weren't M. Night name, I would not have given this movie the time of day, I just have faith in that there's something in it that I will one day see in this bad movie that will make me love it...but then again, I might not...but by saying all of this, it shows the power of M. Nights film making over all. 

This movie is a really bad movie but M. Night is still a genius.  I believe that for his next movie after Avatar, he has to change his formula in some form or fashion.  Why?  Because even his way of telling stories will get old if he doesn't change by his next original film, or the film after that.  People will go and see it, especially us M. Night fans, but the thing that really makes a great artist to me is that artist reinventing themselves with new ventures and challeges and not always sticking too what made them famous.  It's easy to stick to one way of anything, but not so easy to go into relms of the unknown.  I have faith that he will one day do this.  Am I the only person in here that M. Night may need to change it up a bit in his original material?  Or do you fans think he should stay like he is?

This same situation works vice-versa too.  If someone writes an amazing script with an amazing story and well developed, intricate characters, and places it in the hands of an ametuer director who knows little about the art of film, the movie won't be great.  Reviews of a movie like this would probably be along the lines of, "It was a clever idea that was poorly executed."

I believe alot of people mistake good aspects of a film for a good film.  There are alot of good aspects in The Happening, but overall, it was just a bad movie.  Alot of Shyamalan fans (including myself) watched the movie trying to find as much good as they could in the movie and liked it, because it was Shyamalan.  That being said, I think Prince111 hit the nail on the head.  Sure there are alot of technical aspects of the film that were executed very well, but because of the lack of a strong story, the movie failed. 

I agree with you 100%.
         
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 09, 2008, 02:32:45 PM
Prince111.

I LOVE YOU.


I HAVE THE EXACT SAME FEELING AS YOU.
We all want Night to succeed but we have to admit the things that are the way they are.


WHO ELSE AGREES WITH PRINCE111's POST ABOVE MINE (and Elijah Price's before that)???


Great job, Prince111.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 09, 2008, 02:48:55 PM
Am I the only person in here that M. Night may need to change it up a bit in his original material?  Or do you fans think he should stay like he is?

Prince, you, Cleveland and I share alot of the same opinions and we're on the same page on alot of subjects.  I was wondering if you read my post on page 3 about what I think M. Night should do in the future?  I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about that.

Can I answer the questions, because I'm going too.  1. Yes it could have been, the original script wasn't as environmental, more of a straight up happening, that people don't understand.  2.  My favorite movie of all time is the Lord of the Rings. 
I liked The Happening, but the story isn't the strongest, yes, technically the film is very well made, and me being a student of film and wanting to go into filming this helped me to like it better.  BUT, the story is weak at points and the dialogue, usually one of Nights strongpoints was weak in this film.  Prince111 makes a goodp oint in that all directors don't score a major hit every time, though I wouldn't classify The Happening as a flop either.

Of course every director slips up on a movie or two in their carreer.  This I have to agree with.  And most of the time, when a director slips up on a movie, people call that movie a flop.  They don't go around saying how terrible the director is, but they don't fail to recognize that it is not the director's best work.  This is The Happening.  Written and directed by a talented film maker, but not his best work.  The movie was a flop.  And Lord of the Rings is a good movie in almost every way.  Great special effects, great dilogue, it was extremely believable, it was shot well, but most importantly, Lord of the Rings had a fantastic story.  Without the story, the special effects, beautiful shots, and cool action scenes would have been meaningless.  See where I'm getting at here with The Happening?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 09, 2008, 04:00:09 PM
Prince111.

I LOVE YOU.


I HAVE THE EXACT SAME FEELING AS YOU.
We all want Night to succeed but we have to admit the things that are the way they are.


WHO ELSE AGREES WITH PRINCE111's POST ABOVE MINE (and Elijah Price's before that)???


Great job, Prince111.

Thanks Cleveland Heap, I love you too!!  Me, you and Elijah Price do share the same opinions alot of the times.  That's cool.

Am I the only person in here that M. Night may need to change it up a bit in his original material?  Or do you fans think he should stay like he is?

Prince, you, Cleveland and I share alot of the same opinions and we're on the same page on alot of subjects.  I was wondering if you read my post on page 3 about what I think M. Night should do in the future?  I'd be curious to hear what you have to say about that.

That's a good question...I think his next idea should (like some of his previous movies) bounce off of somethings that's true (Not a true story, but of something that can't be explained.)  However, like in my previous post, it should be a subject that gets up under your skin, something that somewhat changes you or have you thinking about for weeks.  As far as story, it could be almost anything in terms of horror, but I think he should maybe use a different person to score his next film, just to give it a different tone.  Don't get me wrong, I love Mr. Howard's work with Night, but with his scores (with Night) I already know what to expect, but that's only because Night is Night.  If Night maybe did a flate out monster movie or something where some one is neing chaced, (I'm not talking about like The Village), but just almost go back to square one. 

In every horror movie ever made, the movies that scared or moved people the most were the ones with great suspence or them being true or could be true.  That's why movies like The Sixth Sense, The Omen, Jaws, Saw, The Chainsaw Mass, The Exorist, Alien, The Fog, Seven,, Signs, Silence of the Lambs and The Thing (JC's version) are so iconic, because they all deal with this in a very well excuted manner.  These movies will stand the test of time because they stunned us like a lightening bolt and made us feel like we were changed by watching them.  It's a feeling that I left the theaters that I had when I saw all of these movies.  They moved me to the core of my being and all set a new standard for horror movies in some ways or another.  Some have gore in them, but that's not what made them great movies.  They all have great stories, they all deal with suspence, they all (when I saw them) felt like they were or could be true (which some of them were based on true things or atleast beliefs), and last but least, the all were executed perfectly.  I hope out of the three ideas he has I hope he goes with the scariest one and have everything I said in it.

I hope that answers your question.

What about you?  What do you think he should do after Avatar?       
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 09, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
Prince -- I like some of the things you said about what Night should do in the future.  I thought your ideas about other horror films in the past were very interesting.  And to answer your question about what I think Night should do in the future, I answered on the 3rd page of this thread.  To summarize what I wrote, I think Night should set his stories outside of a supernatural event.  If he doesn't have to waste time trying to convince you to believe that the event he created is so believable, he can spend time focusing on the more important aspects of the story.  He can pay more attention to character development and stuff then he might be able to pull off an amazing movie.  I explained this a bit more in depth a couple posts back. 

What do you think?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 12:49:35 PM
Prince -- I like some of the things you said about what Night should do in the future.  I thought your ideas about other horror films in the past were very interesting.  And to answer your question about what I think Night should do in the future, I answered on the 3rd page of this thread.  To summarize what I wrote, I think Night should set his stories outside of a supernatural event.  If he doesn't have to waste time trying to convince you to believe that the event he created is so believable, he can spend time focusing on the more important aspects of the story.  He can pay more attention to character development and stuff then he might be able to pull off an amazing movie.  I explained this a bit more in depth a couple posts back. 

What do you think?

That's exactely right, if it's something everyone can relate to, then Night doesn't have try to explain everything, which will give him time to focus completely on a very strong story.  The event needs to be simple, the action scarce and the drama suspenceful.

I think you hit the nail dead on the head. 

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 01:05:17 PM
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maybe people dont bring it up so much because it's so obvious

Namaste, two questions.

1:  Do you think The Happening still would have been The Happening without the environmental statements?

2:  What is your favorite movie of all time?

no, it would have had to be a different tone, altogether. (it wouldnt have been hard to do that, though..just change a few little things in the script)

and my favorite movie of all time is Gattaca, which is technically brilliant, but also has great story..deep levels of symbolism, but also enjoyable for first-time watchers.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 10, 2008, 01:22:39 PM
I still disagree and say that The Happening wasn't a flop.  If you go by the critics than all of his movies are flops.   I also disagree and say that The Happening was not a terrible film.  But, it definately wasn't an amazing film, and could have been a lot better.  That said, do you think it would have been better if Night had stuck with the normal 2 hour film length, instead of making it 1 1/2 hours long?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 01:25:15 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 10, 2008, 01:31:27 PM
There's something about his two hour films that seems just right.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 01:38:41 PM
I know what it is...it's called "not an accident"
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 10, 2008, 02:03:03 PM
Unbreakable 106 min, Signs 106 min, Village 108 min, Sixth sense 107 min, Lady in the Water 110 min,  Happening 91 min...I noticed it too...

(Btw, all above 100 min movies of Shyamalan (specially LitW, it passed so fast I couldn't remember anything but wonderful Howard's theme))I thought were about 85 min, which means that all of them were uber-interesting to me (And did...since I put three of them in my top 10 movies oat)...Happening did seem like a 90 minto me, and it is.))
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 02:22:30 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.

Ok then, is it safe to say that the studio messed this movie up and not M. Night?  Because to me, even if he added that extra time that was cut from the movie I don't it would have helped at all.  He needed to rewrite this story.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 10, 2008, 02:26:56 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.

Ok then, is it safe to say that the studio messed this movie up and not M. Night?  Because to me, even if he added that extra time that was cut from the movie I don't it would have helped at all.  He needed to rewrite this story.

In no way I can confirm that he had to take out the character development, but if he had to do it, that then did impact on the overall movie performance.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 02:39:55 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.

Ok then, is it safe to say that the studio messed this movie up and not M. Night?  Because to me, even if he added that extra time that was cut from the movie I don't it would have helped at all.  He needed to rewrite this story.

In no way I can confirm that he had to take out the character development, but if he had to do it, that then did impact on the overall movie performance.

I don't think that by the studio cutting a certain amount of time from this movie help or hendered the impact of this movie.  An hour and a half is plenty time for sufficient character development.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.

Ok then, is it safe to say that the studio messed this movie up and not M. Night?  Because to me, even if he added that extra time that was cut from the movie I don't it would have helped at all.  He needed to rewrite this story.


In no way I can confirm that he had to take out the character development, but if he had to do it, that then did impact on the overall movie performance.

I don't think that by the studio cutting a certain amount of time from this movie help or hendered the impact of this movie.  An hour and a half is plenty time for sufficient character development.
yeah if you know you have 90 min from the beginning..shyamalan doesnt just add things onto each other..everything is connected to everything else.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 06:44:24 PM
definitely. I heard he took out a lot of character development, because the studio thought it was too slow.

Ok then, is it safe to say that the studio messed this movie up and not M. Night?  Because to me, even if he added that extra time that was cut from the movie I don't it would have helped at all.  He needed to rewrite this story.


In no way I can confirm that he had to take out the character development, but if he had to do it, that then did impact on the overall movie performance.

I don't think that by the studio cutting a certain amount of time from this movie help or hendered the impact of this movie.  An hour and a half is plenty time for sufficient character development.
yeah if you know you have 90 min from the beginning..shyamalan doesnt just add things onto each other..everything is connected to everything else.

I can agree with that.   What in your opinion should do next then?  How can he do something new with winning formula?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 06:53:14 PM
Im not really sure what you're asking.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 10, 2008, 07:20:49 PM
Did anyone watch the first deleted scene on the special features?  With that scene, we learn a whole lot more about the characters.  And if that scene was in the movie, we would have better understood some of the reasons why Elliot acts like a kid, and some more background on the story of him and his wife.  HOWEVER, even with the few extra minutes of character development, the movie wasn't good.  There just wasn't a strong enough story to make people like it.

Namaste, you're favorite movie is Gattaca.  It had good cinematography, clever symbolism, and a well thought out story.  Sure it was a good film, but without the story, the movie would have sucked.  Regardless of the symbolism/technical shots.  It's funny, I saw Gattaca in my biology class way back when.  Best movie I saw in class in high school... lol.

Probably my favorite movie of all time is City of God.  A close second would be The Shawshank Redemption, and there's a few others.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 08:23:57 PM
Im not really sure what you're asking.

Where he missed it at in this movie, how can Night build upon that to get a better result in his next movie?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 10, 2008, 08:30:55 PM
Did anyone watch the first deleted scene on the special features?  With that scene, we learn a whole lot more about the characters.  And if that scene was in the movie, we would have better understood some of the reasons why Elliot acts like a kid, and some more background on the story of him and his wife.  HOWEVER, even with the few extra minutes of character development, the movie wasn't good.  There just wasn't a strong enough story to make people like it.

Namaste, you're favorite movie is Gattaca.  It had good cinematography, clever symbolism, and a well thought out story.  Sure it was a good film, but without the story, the movie would have sucked.  Regardless of the symbolism/technical shots.  It's funny, I saw Gattaca in my biology class way back when.  Best movie I saw in class in high school... lol.

Probably my favorite movie of all time is City of God.  A close second would be The Shawshank Redemption, and there's a few others.

I'm going to watch that scene again maybe tonight or tomorrow and see what you're ralking about.  It's hard for me to say what my all time favorite film is, the two movies I watch more than anyother movie are JFK and Gladiator, both of them are just amazing movies...great story: first, great acting and very very suspenceful and deep films.  JFK is a masterpiece.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 10, 2008, 09:32:17 PM
In response to Mr. Glass who is quoted below:

"I still disagree and say that The Happening wasn't a flop.  If you go by the critics than all of his movies are flops.   I also disagree and say that The Happening was not a terrible film.  But, it definately wasn't an amazing film, and could have been a lot better.  That said, do you think it would have been better if Night had stuck with the normal 2 hour film length, instead of making it 1 1/2 hours long?"

All of his movies are not flops. First of all, to all you Rotten Tomato Haters: Rotten Tomatoes is not this Organization out to get Everyone. It's a collection of 95 percent of the critics from the US and the World. It rates whether their opinion was Good or Bad and from there it gives a percentage.

If a movie has a 23% or something, it means that 23% of Critics liked it (and if you read the Happening's positive reviews, even they aren't that positive. Most of them said it was just OK). So RT isn't this stupid source. You have to be a credited critic to post your opinion. It's not like WikiPedia.

That said, I'm not saying we should blindly listen to all Critics. But for the most part if 200 of them are in pretty clear consensus about a film, it definetly says something.

Also, if Night had stretched this movie even longer, not only would this movie not have gotten any better, it would have gotten worse. People just can't level of melodramatic lines and acting and uneventful thrills for another 20 minutes.

Also, all of his movies are not flops. The Sixth Sense, Signs, and Unbreakable all have "FRESH" reviews on RT. THe Village for the most part goes right down the middle.

And let's face it: We (or You) only like it because he made it. Here's a little experiment:

For one moment, forget the fact that Night made this movie. Imagine that - I don't know - RON HOWARD made this movie (he would never but just in case you don't know who he is, he made APOLLO 13, A BEAUTIFUL MIND, CINDERELLA MAN, etc.).

Once you get out of the Night shell, you can judge the movie by what it ACTUALLY is - not what you want it or hope for it to be.

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In response to Prince111, I honestly think that he should focus more on the characters and their struggles (which is usually the real story in his movies) If you notice in THE HAPPENING, their love story only popped in and out at moments. You never felt a clear understanding of what was their relationship. In SIGNS, all of the struggles had somehow to do with the real story: Graham Hess regaining his Faith in God.

That's why the Happening was a Terrible Film. He never got into what the real story was about.

(Also bad was the acting and writing)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 10, 2008, 10:19:39 PM
Im not really sure what you're asking.

Where he missed it at in this movie, how can Night build upon that to get a better result in his next movie?

why would you want to build on things you did wrong?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 11, 2008, 12:22:18 AM
Unbreakable 106 min, Signs 106 min, Village 108 min, Sixth sense 107 min, Lady in the Water 110 min,  Happening 91 min...I noticed it too...


Do you really think 15 minutes more of The Happening would have changed the overall outcome of the movie?  No way.

And something interesting that Cleveland said,
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Also, if Night had stretched this movie even longer, not only would this movie not have gotten any better, it would have gotten worse. People just can't level of melodramatic lines and acting and uneventful thrills for another 20 minutes.

So true...

Night would have probably added 15 more minutes of Mark Whalberg saying: "What happened to all the honeybees, guys?  Does anybody know?  The honeybees?  Does anyone notice that all the honeybees are gone?  Who have we lost contact with?  Tell me who!  Why do you keep feeding me one worthless peice of information at a time?  What does purple stand for on a mood ring?  What does orange stand for?  No not that color orange, like a burnt orange?  Why did I sign up to act in this movie?  I should stick to Scorsese's films.  Yeah, The Departed was fun.  I think green means love on a mood ring?  Hey does Mrs. Jones symbolize mother nature?  Hey are you still reading this?  Say hi to your mother for me."

See what I'm getting at here Decadent Sympozium plus others?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 11, 2008, 10:51:40 AM
Im not really sure what you're asking.

Where he missed it at in this movie, how can Night build upon that to get a better result in his next movie?

why would you want to build on things you did wrong?

Ok, this is what I'm asking you...what should M. Night do differently in his next movie that he messed up in this movie?  What mistakes did he make in The Happening do you feel that he should steer clear of in his next movie?


Unbreakable 106 min, Signs 106 min, Village 108 min, Sixth sense 107 min, Lady in the Water 110 min,  Happening 91 min...I noticed it too...


Do you really think 15 minutes more of The Happening would have changed the overall outcome of the movie?  No way.

And something interesting that Cleveland said,
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Also, if Night had stretched this movie even longer, not only would this movie not have gotten any better, it would have gotten worse. People just can't level of melodramatic lines and acting and uneventful thrills for another 20 minutes.

So true...

Night would have probably added 15 more minutes of Mark Whalberg saying: "What happened to all the honeybees, guys?  Does anybody know?  The honeybees?  Does anyone notice that all the honeybees are gone?  Who have we lost contact with?  Tell me who!  Why do you keep feeding me one worthless peice of information at a time?  What does purple stand for on a mood ring?  What does orange stand for?  No not that color orange, like a burnt orange?  Why did I sign up to act in this movie?  I should stick to Scorsese's films.  Yeah, The Departed was fun.  I think green means love on a mood ring?  Hey does Mrs. Jones symbolize mother nature?  Hey are you still reading this?  Say hi to your mother for me."

See what I'm getting at here Decadent Sympozium plus others?

Mr. Price...lol, you're hilarious!!!  That's just how I felt damn near everytime I've seen The Happening.  All of those those cheesy lines, ya know, sometimes I felt like I was in Rumper Room...lol.  It was definately too much explaining going on and it sounded too contrived and not free flowing like his previous films.  It was too phoned in.  That kind of dialogue not only NOT makes you feel for the character, it makes you not even take that character seriously, so almost everytime he spoke, I kind of zoned out a little.  I see and hear you loud and clear Mr. Price. 

Well put...I could couldn't have said it better myself.   
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 11, 2008, 01:48:59 PM
First off, I don't even go onto Rotten Tomatoes, or other sites like that Cleveland Heep, so not sure what you're talking about.  Second, I have separated msyelf from the fact that it was Night who made, and I still like, the things that I don't like-cheesy one liners, heavy on the environmental aspect, not enough character development, I still don't like whether I forget that Night did it or not.    If I were Night I would take time to right a script that was solid, I think Night said he had this idea when they wrapped Lady In The Water, he really rolled it out and had it done in shorter than his normal two year span, he needs to spend more time on his next film, make sure it's really top notch, that's one thing I would do to improve it.  And yes, I think the added time would have helped the story, he would have been able to flesh out the characters more and MAYBE improve the story and help you become attached to the characters more.  That said, I still like the movie and don't consider it a flop.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 11, 2008, 05:30:26 PM
I agree with Glass
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 11, 2008, 08:27:43 PM
First off, I don't even go onto Rotten Tomatoes, or other sites like that Cleveland Heep, so not sure what you're talking about.  Second, I have separated msyelf from the fact that it was Night who made, and I still like, the things that I don't like-cheesy one liners, heavy on the environmental aspect, not enough character development, I still don't like whether I forget that Night did it or not.    If I were Night I would take time to right a script that was solid, I think Night said he had this idea when they wrapped Lady In The Water, he really rolled it out and had it done in shorter than his normal two year span, he needs to spend more time on his next film, make sure it's really top notch, that's one thing I would do to improve it.  And yes, I think the added time would have helped the story, he would have been able to flesh out the characters more and MAYBE improve the story and help you become attached to the characters more.  That said, I still like the movie and don't consider it a flop.

Ok, I can agree that Night needed to take more time in hashing out a solid script, but time in any movie does not make the difference in the character development, it's the strength of the piece it self.  You can write and film a 10 or 30 minute movie with a great story, great character development.  Lady in the Water was 109 minutes, it could have been 80 minutes and it's a stronger written movie than The Happening.  Not that you care about critics or other forums, but I'm a member of other forums and people dog the #@!* out of this film.  Now we can't sit here and say that we all have better opinions than other people simply because we're M. Night fans.  Other people opinions are just as good as ours.  I love alot of other film makers almost all of them have made atleast one or two bad movies with in their first six or seven movies and M. Night is no eception to the rule.

What is everyone's definition of a flop?  Mine is if alot of people (other than hardcore fans of the film maker) think that a film sucked.  I'm sorry to say that hardcore fans of any filmmaker (including myself with M. Night) tend to want the movie to succeed so badly that they go into the with the blinders on, a sort of (this movie is going to be good no matter what) mentality, but as I've stated in my previous post, I've tried to watch this movie atleast 10 times, and I still get the same stale taste in my mouth.  I'll give M. Night an A for effort though.   Any film can make money just off of the film makers name alone, which can still make the movie a flop, if it didn't make what the studio estimated it would make.  I venture to guess that all film makers make films for everyone, not just their hardcore fans, no, I take that back, they do have a designated audience that they aim for, however, that's not all they aim for when making a film and if you hard core fans think it's a ok to good film but the general aduien think it's a bad film, than their something to say for that.     
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 11, 2008, 08:51:19 PM
I was going to go on this huge thing about Mr. Glass's comment (and Namaste who always agrees with him)

but then I read Prince111's comment above mine which is so PERFECTLY written.

Mr. Glass, What is your definition of a flop???

Because I agree with Prince111 and I want to know what reasoning it takes to make that conclusion.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 11, 2008, 10:11:42 PM
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You can write and film a 10 or 30 minute movie with a great story, great character development.  Lady in the Water was 109 minutes, it could have been 80 minutes and it's a stronger written movie than The Happening.  Not that you care about critics or other forums, but I'm a member of other forums and people dog the #@!* out of this film.  Now we can't sit here and say that we all have better opinions than other people simply because we're M. Night fans.  Other people opinions are just as good as ours.  I love alot of other film makers almost all of them have made atleast one or two bad movies with in their first six or seven movies and M. Night is no eception to the rule.

Amen!

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First off, I don't even go onto Rotten Tomatoes, or other sites like that Cleveland Heep, so not sure what you're talking about.  Second, I have separated msyelf from the fact that it was Night who made, and I still like, the things that I don't like-cheesy one liners, heavy on the environmental aspect, not enough character development, I still don't like whether I forget that Night did it or not.

Well goodness gracious man!  What aspect of the movie made you like it so much?!  Here you list bad character development, cheesy one liners, and too heavy of a focus on the environmental aspect.  That's the movie bro!  Oh, and you left out a few things you may have not liked.  Like the unbelievable event, terrible dialogue/acting, and poor plot.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 12, 2008, 02:10:30 PM
Prince 111, your post makes a lot of sense, and I agree with a lot of it.  I guess defining a flop would have helped a lot with this thread.  Flop-is panned by critics, or at least most of them, fans don't like it, and it doesn't make money.  I guess according to my definition it is a flop, so sorry, though I think that money plays the biggest part in determining it, so I'm still leaning towards it not being flop, nor a succesful movie.  Elijah Price, I listed what I thought was bad about it, I thought the event worked, led to some amazing scenes, the acting was good, the plot was good, it's linked to the event, I just thought the overall linking wasn't very good.  What made me like The Happening, no. 1, amazing filmmaking style, which with Night is normal, the cinematics aspect of it all was good, which I think everybody agrees on, likeable characters, very good score, one of the best opening credits I have ever seen (I know, that's just one small thing, but I really liked it), and the fact that it moved around.  Those are my reasons.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 13, 2008, 06:59:33 AM
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Do you really think 15 minutes more of The Happening would have changed the overall outcome of the movie?  No way.

No...I'm implying something happened (oh the irony...).  It's quite hard to believe he couldn't pull of a movie in his regular manner...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 13, 2008, 01:05:01 PM
I'm a little confused by your post Decadent Sympozium, if I understand it right though, you're saying that Night can't make a bad film, or at least one in his usual manner?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 13, 2008, 04:56:43 PM
I'm a little confused by your post Decadent Sympozium, if I understand it right though, you're saying that Night can't make a bad film, or at least one in his usual manner?

What I'm saying is something must have gone wrong during development, eg compare it with football. Few years ago Real Madrid had a almost a billion dollars worth squad, top training staff, it has top training facilities, infinite amount of money, and they brought a top 10 manager. But the next two years they were far the most horrible team, compared to potential and expecting. So they did something wrong, something must have gone wrong. Likewise, Shyamalan knew this movie must be top stuff, we also have a great idea, beautiful symbolism and massive possibility span at hands, he could also take any actor to role, he had Newton Howard to assist in music, and it's Shyamalan we're talking about, who knows how to direct every type of scenes, from comedy over action and mystery to suspense. He had plenty of time. And the movie was screwed. That simply does not fit into logic of this matter.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 13, 2008, 07:14:31 PM
Thank you for admitting that "the movie was screwed"


But yes, I agree. Something must have gone wrong amidst all of the perfections and if I had to pinpoint it... The Script.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 14, 2008, 09:44:00 AM
Thank you for admitting that "the movie was screwed"


But yes, I agree. Something must have gone wrong amidst all of the perfections and if I had to pinpoint it... The Script.

Amen!

I agree also that something went wrong, like Mr. Heap said it was the script, not everyone else attached to the movie.  Like I said before, he needed to completely re-write this whole entire script, and that's the bottum line.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 14, 2008, 01:06:05 PM
Agree with the above posts that it's biggest problem was the script, but I don't think it needs entirely rewritten, there's a lot of good in it, just not placed right.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 14, 2008, 07:16:38 PM
Agree with the above posts that it's biggest problem was the script, but I don't think it needs entirely rewritten, there's a lot of good in it, just not placed right.

I can agree with that.  A complete rewrite is unneccessary, because the movie did have some good part in it, but Mr. Glass (and this may start a whole new conversation), what parts, aspects, scenes or characters would change or take out?  And why?  This question is for everyone.  And what would you keep? 
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 15, 2008, 09:59:29 AM
You're right. The movie does not need to be completely rewritten.
I love the opening credits (and how they moved around) and the death scene after.

After those two scenes, the entire frickin' movie has to be rewritten.

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Agree with the above posts that it's biggest problem was the script, but I don't think it needs entirely rewritten, there's a lot of good in it, just not placed right.

That's Mr. Glass speaking (of course),

Don't deny it.

But seriously after the opening credits (which were awesome), the movie dragged.

And dragged.


And dragged.


And dragged


And someone died.

And dragged.

And dragged.

Someone died.

Dragged.

Mark raised his eyebrows.

Dragged.

Old Lady killed herself.

Love Scene. Dragged.

Dragged even more.

2 Months Later.

Dragged.

Pregnant. Drag.

Cut TO: FRANCE. Drag.

And then it swallowed.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 15, 2008, 01:13:55 PM
Hmm, something tells me that Cleveland Heep thought the movie dragged.   :D  Why would I deny my own quote?  I'm a little confused about that.  Prince111, I'll answer your question when I get the chance to watch The Happening, hopefully tonight I'll try and answer that question.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 16, 2008, 12:37:12 PM
I forgot to delete that "Don't deny" line because it was part of a much more innapropriate joke about your affections for Shyamalan.
(Hint: It has something to do with the last line of that post)

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 16, 2008, 05:40:38 PM
Cleveland Heep.  That post about "dragged" was more interesting than The Happening itself.

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can agree with that.  A complete rewrite is unneccessary, because the movie did have some good part in it, but Mr. Glass (and this may start a whole new conversation), what parts, aspects, scenes or characters would change or take out?  And why?  This question is for everyone.  And what would you keep? 

I personally believe that if an aspect of a movie does not add to the overall story in anyway, than it should be removed.  That said, they should take out every part, aspect, scene, and character.  Why would I do that?  Because Shyamalan can do better and The Happening sucked.  What would I keep?  Eh... Zooey Deschanelle in that cute little dress of hers. Hehe...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 17, 2008, 06:04:05 AM
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A complete rewrite is unneccessary, because the movie did have some good part in it, but Mr. Glass (and this may start a whole new conversation), what parts, aspects, scenes or characters would change or take out?  And why?  This question is for everyone.  And what would you keep?

I'd replace faces. Remove Wahlberg and put Phoenix again, reform character so that you see the child spirit Wahlberg was supposed to be, but to keep him adult, interesting and serious. Phoenix would fit perfectly into it. I'd also replace John Leguizamo with any other face because I generally do not find his presentation enjoyable.

I would definitely demand repetition of intro scene (where people are falling off the roof) because acting was so poor I almost loled instead being drawn into a scene with potential of fascination. I also would not make characters there static, but dynamic, and I'd add an element of surprise with one body falling onto or near to character that ran to first body that fell, with his backdrawing reaction as we hear numerous slams, to quickly cut off from his state of shock and their reactions (reducing needed acting) and focus to falling bodies.

I'd change the situation in class, because that Cristiano Ronaldo-looking boy and his conclusion was completely out of logic, instead, I would actually make him say that, but not in that manner, rather, I'd make a laughing scene where they throw jokes one at another, and after Phoenix asks the boy, the boy responds with that statement but his face implies he's doing that to fool around (Like we do when we play smart in school, eg. "What is the biological term for bird youth?" We don't know but want to be funny so we respond with: "Birdy".). As they laugh, however, Phoenix surprises them with confirming his thought, only to focus both the class and viewer to what he has to say about it.

I'd extend space between moment of event and Frank Collison telling he knows what's going on, and add one or two scenes firstly to introduce that character (with him doing something that has to do with plants and noticing changes. so that viewers can later recognize him as a setup character with purpose), and then show his theory after the news discuss terrorism, biological weapon, and so on, so that his thinking has a cover, during ride through forestry area.

I would not make them talk on the grassy plains as event starts to occur, rather, I'd use Phoenix's charisma (which was noticed in the class) to lure people to follow his quick thinking, and after they settle a little, Phoenix brings up what Collison was saying about plants, discussing. Apart from this, I'd make them lil bit more in panic, one of them to keep repeating silently but quickly "oh my god, oh my god, oh my god..." while Phoe and Deschanel shout where to move and how to move, and make one character fall, but others, including Phoe and other goodies, leaving him, in fact, Phoe shouting "Leave him be!!" (or some other character who is not so nice or alike, I'd check that out), so that later we may see that he remembers what he said (perhaps during ms. Jones scene) and has unclean conscious, feeling guilty and in conflict, specially after two boys dying, which crushed little girl, and I'd definitely take out the part where they play with animals, instead, I'd make a scene where Zoey's trying to normalize the little girl, showing to her and to viewers that she did not take it lightly at all.

I'd add a quick scene beforenight, where either Zoey or Mark lay down dressed up, whispering a comment about this world, something like "...bastards of nature..."; with correct imply being that he thinks humans are not meant to be in this world, better say, shouldn't be, leaving open to critic. Then the mad morning comes, giving us a little argument with ms. Jones having dolls around the house.

I'd also change Leguizamo's scene in the jeep, instead him looking at the torn top, we would first watch entire scene, with him not exiting the car to walk but opening doors to pick glass from beneath car door, and as he does that, he cuts his arms, we do not see it, we see only his upper part, but what we do see in the back (above him) is the little torn space, fluttering on the wind.

I'd keep everything else pretty much the same, except the end, when Wahlberg and Deschanel stand one opposite to other, instead of saying anything, I'd make them hug (lighty, holding hands and laying head one against other's shoulder/head, NOT powerhug), and when silences, make them realize nothing happened, but without ANYTHING to say. That thing about stopping suddenly I'd bring up once or twice before this event, just so viewers memorize it. Instead, I'd cut the scene and move to news and scientific observations, forcing viewers to conclude it must have stopped on their own.

At the very end, I wouldn't make a part where happy kid happily dresses with Zoey for school, rather, I'd show a burden that Nature left with it's warning, making Zoey walk little girl to private psychiatrist (which is not done obviously but subtly.) as they listen on radio the statistic numbers of how many people died, became orphanage, and so on, so that, when the very last scene of event occuring in Paris happens, we can say "We didn't learn anything."

Hm...yes...I actually believe this would make movie better...but I definitely don't think I'm right, you be the judge.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 17, 2008, 11:34:37 AM
"hm...yes...I actually believe this would make movie better...but I definitely don't think I'm right, you be the judge."

Wait what??



I agree with you Decadent in that a lot of this movie needs to be corrected. You nailed a lot of problems down with the movie (there are so many more, however). However, i think that your solutions will not work.

All that your post has proven is how much of this movie has gone wrong. And your right. Nearly every decision went bad.


With this many problems, how could some people continue praising this film. While you're at it, why don't you call  Daredevil, Failure to Launch, and Hulk (the first one) great movies as well?

This movie (like I said, as much as we would like it to suceed) has WAY TOO MANY errors, blunders, problems, and failures to be even in the range of a "good" movie.


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Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 17, 2008, 01:39:06 PM
Some of the stuff I agree with Decadent Sypozium, the main points of your stuff was more focus on characters, which I agree needs changed, but I need to go back and watch it. 
I liked Daredevil, that said the angles were incredibly annoying.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 17, 2008, 02:22:21 PM
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"hm...yes...I actually believe this would make movie better...but I definitely don't think I'm right, you be the judge."

Wait what??

This half-sentence means that I believe (verb: believe) my corrections would make movie better, as simple as that - but while I believe, I don't think I'm right, meaning that I allow my corrections to be wrong, but as I made it, I cannot judge it, so I allow others to judge.


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I agree with you Decadent in that a lot of this movie needs to be corrected. You nailed a lot of problems down with the movie (there are so many more, however). However, i think that your solutions will not work.

I'd like to hear an explanation to this "will not work"; I'm not sure I quite understand it.


Also, I'd like to outline that I didn't just point at the problems, I, like you said, typed down what I'd do if, by any chance, I worked with Shy on this title. If you read carefully, you will notice I changed a lot of details.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 17, 2008, 11:19:04 PM
You know, it's really hard to say what should go and what should stay in the movie.  I mean buttering up a few scenes here and there won't change the overall product of the movie, in my opinion.  Like I do think that if there were some better scenes then the movie might be better than it was, but still not good.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 17, 2008, 11:52:13 PM
i agree.


even if the scenes were passable (which right now they are not), the movie would still not be good.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 18, 2008, 12:46:58 PM
I agree also, there was some stuff that was really good and really bad in the film, and it's very hard to say.  But, with all that's bad, it doesn't require a complete rewrite, but damn near a complete rewrite.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 18, 2008, 01:25:47 PM
I partially agree, and it makes sense what you guys are saying, you didn't like it, I did, you have your reasons and I have mine.  It is more than a simple, add a scene remove a scene, for it to be a really top notch movie there would have to be some restructuring that needs to take place, not just little tweaks here and there.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 18, 2008, 05:31:45 PM
I partially agree, and it makes sense what you guys are saying, you didn't like it, I did, you have your reasons and I have mine.  It is more than a simple, add a scene remove a scene, for it to be a really top notch movie there would have to be some restructuring that needs to take place, not just little tweaks here and there.

What kind of restructuring do you have in mind? Because it seems to me both of you are trying to say movie should be erased and start anew. I really cannot agree with that, in fact, I find it ridiculous.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Sanford on November 19, 2008, 11:34:47 AM
I really enjoyed the film. A lot. I like it just the way it is.

However, I think what was "wrong" with it was it not being scary. That's what everybody's been saying. And think about the material Shyamalan was working with. A story about an invisible neuro-toxin that makes you KILL yourself when you breathe it. That has the potential to be one of the most frightening horror films of all time, yet it wasn't. Why?

I think it was the tone Shyamalan shot it with. There was no sense of dread and foreboding; no electricity in the atmosphere to make people on the edge of their seats like they should've been. It all seemed a little cartoony to me. The deaths were REALLY theatric, the dialogue was a little obvious and even the music, while I enjoyed it, wasn't very scary. It was just sort of bouncy and cartoony, in a sense.

I think the story is fine. He just should've made it a much darker and realistic tone. That's my opinion anyways.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 19, 2008, 02:23:55 PM
Yeah, you're right..it wasnt like the killer could just jump out of nowhere. There was no tension of wondering what might be behind the next door. It was pretty much "do this and you will die..don't do it and you'll be fine". It might have been better to add an element like the air force or the cia coming in and exterminating people to keep it from spreading, and therefore having the characters try to evade them.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 19, 2008, 03:50:31 PM
Yeah, you're right..it wasnt like the killer could just jump out of nowhere. There was no tension of wondering what might be behind the next door. It was pretty much "do this and you will die..don't do it and you'll be fine". It might have been better to add an element like the air force or the cia coming in and exterminating people to keep it from spreading, and therefore having the characters try to evade them.

I think that would go waaay too far from the movie idea. In fact this suggestion doesn't make any sense to me, I'm not sure anyone would send anybody (or that anybody would go there) somewhere where people are dying out of nothing. I know I wouldn't, both send or go there, being a head chief or not. As for tension, can't really tell but I seriously found mrs.jones scenes, shotgun scene, and grassfield scene ones with tension. Specially shotgun.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 19, 2008, 04:24:48 PM
What I mean by restructering was putting the death scenes a little more intense, restructered in the way they were shot, put more character development in, which would require maybe moving some scenes around, and make it more intense.  Decadent Sympozium, I love the shotgun scene, it was so startling, and came out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 19, 2008, 07:36:31 PM
However, I think what was "wrong" with it was it not being scary. That's what everybody's been saying. And think about the material Shyamalan was working with. A story about an invisible neuro-toxin that makes you KILL yourself when you breathe it. That has the potential to be one of the most frightening horror films of all time, yet it wasn't. Why?

I think it was the tone Shyamalan shot it with. There was no sense of dread and foreboding; no electricity in the atmosphere to make people on the edge of their seats like they should've been. It all seemed a little cartoony to me. The deaths were REALLY theatric, the dialogue was a little obvious and even the music, while I enjoyed it, wasn't very scary. It was just sort of bouncy and cartoony, in a sense.

I agree totally, this movie didn't earn the right (in my book) to be called a horror movie, there's no dread...although I must say that I loved the Ms. Jones scene at the end of the movie, that was the only part in the movie that gave me goosebumps, other than that and at the beginning of the movie where the construction workers were falling off the building and when the two boys got shot.  Other than that, I would re-write the whole movie.  I don't know if this would have made it better, and I think someone else said this already, but it would have been cool if the neurotoxin effected Zooey's character in some funny way when they came out into the open and she ran for no reason and Mark W's character chased her and saw she was trying to kill herself and he trying like Hell to stop her, bairly succeeding in his attempt to save her.  She would have had to come out first though for it to effectively work.  That's just one suggestion.  What do you guys think about that?   
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 19, 2008, 09:26:54 PM
it would have been cool if the neurotoxin effected Zooey's character in some funny way when they came out into the open and she ran for no reason and Mark W's character chased her and saw she was trying to kill herself and he trying like Hell to stop her, bairly succeeding in his attempt to save her.  She would have had to come out first though for it to effectively work.  That's just one suggestion.  What do you guys think about that?  

I'd buy that...might require some real acting tho, heh.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 19, 2008, 11:25:43 PM
it would have been cool if the neurotoxin effected Zooey's character in some funny way when they came out into the open and she ran for no reason and Mark W's character chased her and saw she was trying to kill herself and he trying like Hell to stop her, bairly succeeding in his attempt to save her.  She would have had to come out first though for it to effectively work.  That's just one suggestion.  What do you guys think about that?  

I'd buy that...might require some real acting tho, heh.

yeah, it might.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 20, 2008, 07:00:20 AM
it would have been cool if the neurotoxin effected Zooey's character in some funny way when they came out into the open and she ran for no reason and Mark W's character chased her and saw she was trying to kill herself and he trying like Hell to stop her, bairly succeeding in his attempt to save her.  She would have had to come out first though for it to effectively work.  That's just one suggestion.  What do you guys think about that?  

I'd buy that...might require some real acting tho, heh.

LOLOL. But then what about a girl? Or him, ha ha. If I was an eccentric director, I'd kill 'em all in a very stressing, sad situation at the end.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 20, 2008, 10:52:49 AM
it would have been cool if the neurotoxin effected Zooey's character in some funny way when they came out into the open and she ran for no reason and Mark W's character chased her and saw she was trying to kill herself and he trying like Hell to stop her, bairly succeeding in his attempt to save her.  She would have had to come out first though for it to effectively work.  That's just one suggestion.  What do you guys think about that?  

I'd buy that...might require some real acting tho, heh.

Mark W would tell the little girl to stay in the house after he sees whats happening to Zooey.  I think it could work.
LOLOL. But then what about a girl? Or him, ha ha. If I was an eccentric director, I'd kill 'em all in a very stressing, sad situation at the end.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 20, 2008, 01:23:05 PM
That would have been an interesting end to have her try and kill herself, that certainly would have ended a movie on a more intense note, maybe just end it after he saves her.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 20, 2008, 02:42:26 PM
Actually now that you mention it, i think the movie would have been better if the two adults had killed themselves. After finally having found true love, and realizing that true love means sacrifice, they walk out into the happening, embrace and then take hands, walking backward into the setting sun. (of course this would require a slight change in setting/time..but it's better than "oh..it must have ended before we came out")
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 20, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Actually now that you mention it, i think the movie would have been better if the two adults had killed themselves. After finally having found true love, and realizing that true love means sacrifice, they walk out into the happening, embrace and then take hands, walking backward into the setting sun. (of course this would require a slight change in setting/time..but it's better than "oh..it must have ended before we came out")

Yeah, I can picture that happening, but audiences want a payoff at the end, having both adults kill them selves is good, but audiences need some kind of hope...maybe Zooey killing herself would have been a killer ending and have it end right there.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 21, 2008, 02:22:26 AM
Let me predict what would have happened if those characters killed themselves:



people would have cheered.



no lie. they would go out thinking it was a happy ending. The fact is: the rest of the movie cannot hold itself together. we all know the movie has extreme potential. its just everything about failed. and that's why it is a terrible film. forget aesthetics, color, music, schematics, art direction, etc.. the movie itself is a bad movie and we have all at one point named different reasons for that.

i find it very difficult to think that we all would have liked this movie had it not been Night making it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 21, 2008, 10:19:20 AM
I wouldn't have seen it.  We can go on talking about this movie for ever, and that's cool, but I think that after avatar, if Night doesn't hit his next movie out of the ball park, more people may not see his films.  I'm not saying that he'll loose his hard core fans, but...let me put it this way.  I think Night has gotten use to his movies being the way they are and he just kept taking the ball and running with it, if it's broke, don't fix it, (I'm not saying that he hasn't challenged himself, because I'm sure he has), but I for one am getting kind of tire of the way he tells stories, with the same tone, same composer, same eerie feeling.  I know what to expect when I go see one of his movies, that's why I was let down when I saw The Happening, because of thr R rating, I thought it was going to be different, but it ended up being worst.  After Avatar (which is a breath of fresh air), I think he need to change his format, that's one of the reason why I think his latest effort was not good, (atleast for me.)  Don't get me wrong, I'll go see every movie he puts out there.  If this makes any sence.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 21, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Let me predict what would have happened if those characters killed themselves:



people would have cheered.



no lie. they would go out thinking it was a happy ending. The fact is: the rest of the movie cannot hold itself together. we all know the movie has extreme potential. its just everything about failed. and that's why it is a terrible film. forget aesthetics, color, music, schematics, art direction, etc.. the movie itself is a bad movie and we have all at one point named different reasons for that.

i find it very difficult to think that we all would have liked this movie had it not been Night making it.


I agree that the movie didn't have enough to hold it's self together.  What's wrong with a happy ending, atleast it was a pay off for the audience, the ending that's there now, is just bad bad bad ending and didn't leave me satisfied at all.  I think the ending that I suggested would probably work, (not to say that if it was there that the film would have been a whole lot better, because it would not have).
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 21, 2008, 01:17:01 PM
I think having them die and walk off into the distance or whatever would have been a good ending, the ending he had on the movie left a bitter taste in your mouth, like everything you had watched happen and how they avoid was now pointless becuase it's hitting everywhere.  I love the ending to The Sixth Sense, when he realises that he's dead, but he's now at peace, and that's how it ends.  Something more along those lines with The Happening would at least have people walking out of the theater a little more happy.  NOt to say that sad or depressing ending shouldn't be there, but I think for this film it should have been a happy ending.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 21, 2008, 07:42:57 PM
I think having them die and walk off into the distance or whatever would have been a good ending, the ending he had on the movie left a bitter taste in your mouth, like everything you had watched happen and how they avoid was now pointless becuase it's hitting everywhere.  I love the ending to The Sixth Sense, when he realises that he's dead, but he's now at peace, and that's how it ends.  Something more along those lines with The Happening would at least have people walking out of the theater a little more happy.  NOt to say that sad or depressing ending shouldn't be there, but I think for this film it should have been a happy ending.

The happy ending was my whole point.  I agree also that the ending to The Sixth Sense was a great ending.  I almost cried the first time I saw the movie, cause it was so beautiful.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 21, 2008, 08:03:59 PM
Let me predict what would have happened if those characters killed themselves:



people would have cheered.



no lie. they would go out thinking it was a happy ending. The fact is: the rest of the movie cannot hold itself together. we all know the movie has extreme potential. its just everything about failed. and that's why it is a terrible film. forget aesthetics, color, music, schematics, art direction, etc.. the movie itself is a bad movie and we have all at one point named different reasons for that.

i find it very difficult to think that we all would have liked this movie had it not been Night making it.


I'd still see a value in it. In fact, I'd probably like it more if it wasn't night doing it...though, at one point, since we're discussing, you (or anybody else) must realize I am not saying and I think I never did say it's a great movie. I said it's not a terrible movie. It's...bad, but not terrible, and even as bad as it is, it's still good compared to things they do lately, I'm not sure I saw a good movie made in 2008...thinking, thinking...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 21, 2008, 09:34:25 PM
Let me predict what would have happened if those characters killed themselves:



people would have cheered.



no lie. they would go out thinking it was a happy ending. The fact is: the rest of the movie cannot hold itself together. we all know the movie has extreme potential. its just everything about failed. and that's why it is a terrible film. forget aesthetics, color, music, schematics, art direction, etc.. the movie itself is a bad movie and we have all at one point named different reasons for that.

i find it very difficult to think that we all would have liked this movie had it not been Night making it.


I'd still see a value in it. In fact, I'd probably like it more if it wasn't night doing it...though, at one point, since we're discussing, you (or anybody else) must realize I am not saying and I think I never did say it's a great movie. I said it's not a terrible movie. It's...bad, but not terrible, and even as bad as it is, it's still good compared to things they do lately, I'm not sure I saw a good movie made in 2008...thinking, thinking...

There were a lot of good films in 2008.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 21, 2008, 10:55:20 PM
Umm.. hello?

The Dark Knight.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Decadent Sympozium on November 22, 2008, 06:13:45 AM
Umm.. hello?

The Dark Knight.

I found only Jokker good in that movie, really. The whole point of movie is Jokker, and people generally like it only for Jokker, because that's what movie is - Jokker. Everything else is just nothing really, the movie lasts for, what, 2,5 hours or something. Not to mention the scenario giving all these men in Gotham such wealth that in reality you could probably be able to buy North American territory with it. Seeing the level of wealth perversion used in new Batman stories make me laugh, really. I know modern viewers get a hard on with such scenes but i seriously do not.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 22, 2008, 12:46:30 PM
Umm.


The Dark Knight is going to be viewed as this generation's "Godfather"


No lie. Ill put 100 bucks on that (it's already what - #2 on imdb's best films ever?) and it will take home Best Picture, Best Supporting, Best Direction, and Best Cinematography and be nominated for everything else.

Other great films of 2008:

Slumdog Millionaire
There Will Be Blood
Wall-e (ONE OF THE Best Films ever Made)
Iron Man (popcorn flick, but good)
Burn After Reading
THe Boy in the Striped Pajamas
Trouble the Water (Documentary)
Choke
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Changeling
And "THe Curious Case of Benjamin Button" still to be released

I can name more if you want.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 22, 2008, 01:03:44 PM
Umm.


The Dark Knight is going to be viewed as this generation's "Godfather"

lmfao
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 22, 2008, 01:08:23 PM
Umm.


The Dark Knight is going to be viewed as this generation's "Godfather"

lmfao
What in the world does your post mean Namaste.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 22, 2008, 01:09:35 PM
sorry...i mean "LOL"  (pardon the vulgarity, heh)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 24, 2008, 01:07:24 PM
I get it now, I'm not exactly current with text type.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 24, 2008, 05:52:33 PM
Decadent Sympozium,

You're not from America are you? Its JOKER (as in to tell a joke) not Jokker.



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Post by: Avatar111 on November 24, 2008, 09:03:07 PM
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Decadent Sympozium,

You're not from America are you? Its JOKER (as in to tell a joke) not Jokker.

Wow Elijah, maybe he just hasn't seen the movie alright.
Leave him alone.
And it will be a sad day when a comic book movie wins best picture  :-\

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Other great films of 2008:

Slumdog Millionaire
There Will Be Blood
Wall-e (ONE OF THE Best Films ever Made)
Iron Man (popcorn flick, but good)
Burn After Reading
THe Boy in the Striped Pajamas
Trouble the Water (Documentary)
Choke
Forgetting Sarah Marshall
Changeling
And "THe Curious Case of Benjamin Button" still to be released

I can name more if you want.

Cleveland,
Please name more...

Slumdog Millionare- No surprises. I could predict the ending 10 minutes within the first 10...
There Will Be Blood- All I need to say is "I drink your milkshake."
Wall-e- Probably the worst Pixar film thus far. Yes, creative, but lacked the ability to carry attention.
Iron Man- Whats with the ending? I mean come on, revealing his identity? Screw that...
Burnt After reading- Terrible. Was expecting good things, but nope. My expectations were rejected.
The Boy in the Striped Pajamas- Unfortunately, the film's compelling ideas get buried in sloppy filmmaking.
Trouble The Water- Simply average.
Choke- A confused sex comedy by Clark Gregg that blunders around for 90-odd minutes trying to look butch and sensitive.
Fogetting Sarah Marshall- Just your average Judd Apatow movie, nothing special. It had its funny parts, but the story was worth #@!*. (Elijah like you said in a earlier post movies are modern day story telling)
Changeling- How could a film with so much turmoil, drama and pulp elements become boring? Because it contains too much of all of the above.


In conclusion, there hasn't been an AMAZING film in the 2008 year. (Excluding the Dark Knight)
Everything that has come out has just been descent...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 24, 2008, 10:57:45 PM
i wasnt amazed by TDK..i was too put-off by its political overtones. I guess i could watch it again, and try to ignore that part and see how i feel. As for other amazing films, I found "I am Legend" to be a powerful movie..it did have its dumb parts though. (it just kinda went downhill toward the end..everything after his escape from the trap just got worse and worse.)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 25, 2008, 02:00:24 AM
Avatar111,

Question: Do you believe the Happening was better than Any of those movies?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 25, 2008, 08:35:31 PM
Most definitely...
The happening carried so many more great film characteristics to it than most of the previously mentioned films.
Best movies of 2008 are as follows:
1. The Dark Knight
2. The Happening
and probably,
3. There Will Be Blood
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 25, 2008, 10:45:34 PM
I think even the people who still like the film on this site will disagree with you.

Honestly, don't ever get be a movie critic.


THE 2nd Best Movie of the Year was The Happening?!!??????????!??????!???!!?????????????!!!!!!!

Did you not notice the overly obvious melodrama, cheesy dialogue, terrible acting, and the overall hilarity of the movie?

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 26, 2008, 01:41:42 AM
Elijah,
Before I answer your question, I have a quick question for you.
Are you a M. Night fan?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 26, 2008, 01:46:17 AM
Oops not Elijah,
I mean Cleveland*
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 26, 2008, 01:21:29 PM
I know it hasn't been obvious, but absolutely.

I love M. Night Shyamalan.

I think The Village, Signs, Unbreakable, The Sixth Sense, and even to an extent, Lady in the Water were great films.

Its just the Happening that sucks.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 26, 2008, 04:45:29 PM
How could you possibly be a fan of Shyamalan when you don't like The Happening???
I really question your fanhood.
This film is everything M. Night says he is, and if you do not agree, than you are no fan of Shyamalan.
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I think even the people who still like the film on this site will disagree with you.
You are on M. Night fans.com, so of course you are going to have people who agree with me when I say that The Happening is the second best movie of the year...
None of the movies you mentioned even reach the same level The Happening so easily passed.
The Happening was visually awe-inspiring! It was shot to near perfection. The acting was alright for who they hired. (Marky Mark has only been good in Boogie Nights and The Happening)
And most importantly, the message came across very well, and I think people really understood its meaning.

Really Cleveland, if you thought this movie was hilarious, you have been watching wayyy to many Satanic movies. People killing themselves is a very serious subject that happens most every day.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 26, 2008, 11:39:06 PM
SO If M. Night Shyamalan made a gay porno, everyone who didn't like it wouldn't be a fan?

Right?

Because technically speaking, it could visually awe-inspiring, shot to near perfection, the acting be merely OK, and have a good message.

But you have consider something... ITS STILL A GAY PORNO..


Dude Avatar111, you have to understand something: Just because I don't freaking praise every single aspect of the Happening does not make a Hater. I LOVE HIS FILMS. Except the Latter. And if you think a fan of ANYTHING has to martyr himself for the stuff he/she is a fan of, you don't belong on MNIGHTFANS.com... You belong on MNIGHTISMYRELIGION.COM

Seriously, as fans we should accept what he is done and Hope for the best. THere are a lot of people out there who believe M. Night's Career is done. I don't think so. He needs a Hit. But his career is not over. He just has to stop throwing it away, like he did with the Happening?

NOone and I mean NOONE denies the Happening's technical Perfection. Technically, the movie was spot-on, bam without a mistake (apart from some boom mics visible in shots).
But the script sucked. If you don't trust RT or any other critic, ask around.

Dude. What kind of a shell do you live in? I saw this movie thrice in theaters and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAD PEOPLE CRACKING UP at the death scenes, at the dialogue, and the stupid ending (AT THE CLIMAX OF THE FILM, the two stars come out, hug, and Mark says "Oh it must have JUST ended") That also had people laughing.

Umm. I will bet you that no one who has participated in this forum discussion believes the Happening to be a number one, number two, or even number 5 best film of 2008.

The Happening was one of the worst films of the 2000's (from a notable director).

I can't wait for The Last Airbender. I have HUGE hopes for him. But stop living in a shell and trying to prove the Happening was a good movie, because in all honesty, I tried arguing with people that it was a good movie for a long time.

You can't. It sucks.

But on a more postive note, I do admire your appreciation for Shyamalan.
I'm on your side...


Just not about this movie.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 27, 2008, 12:38:49 AM
Avatar --

Where did you come from?

And I know what you're thinking, the answer is yes.  I am about to bash on your opinion.  In fact, "bash" is an understatement.  I am going to completely rip your opinion a new one.

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Wow Elijah, maybe he just hasn't seen the movie alright.
Leave him alone.
And it will be a sad day when a comic book movie wins best picture 

First of all, this was not supposed to be a rude post. (Forgive me, Decadent, for it is obviously hard to incorporate tone into posts.)  And Avatar, he's obviously seen the movie if he's able to critique the movie's story and acting performances.  Ok, Avatar... Let the games begin.  Explain to me why it will be a sad day when a comic book movie wins best picture.  That's the second stupidest thing I've ever heard.  The first stupidest thing I've ever heard is when you said The Happening was the second best film of the year.

Okay, and did you read all 9 pages of this thread?  Because you are repeating the same thing that everyone's done talking about. You know when a bunch of friends are talking about something, and then that one guy shows up and starts talking about yesterday's conversation?  You're that one guy. Like come on man.  Acknowledge that even though the movie was shot well, the script sucked, the story sucked, the acting sucked, the dialogue sucked, and sorry to bust your bubble, but The Happening is not Marky Mark's second best acting job.  You must be on crack.

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Most definitely...
The happening carried so many more great film characteristics to it than most of the previously mentioned films.
Best movies of 2008 are as follows:
1. The Dark Knight
2. The Happening

Haha, that's a funny joke my friend.  Man, The Happening?  Second best film of the year?  You are pretty funny.  I like your sense of humor.

But seriously!  Did you only see 3 films this year?  I mean good God.  Even if The Happening was one of the 3 only films I saw in a year, I wouldn't even place it as the worst movie I saw.  It deserves a seperate list.  Like the "You Call This Film?" list.  And it would be the worst one on that list.

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How could you possibly be a fan of Shyamalan when you don't like The Happening???
I really question your fanhood.
This film is everything M. Night says he is, and if you do not agree, than you are no fan of Shyamalan.

That's a pretty bold statement.  I mean questioning someone's fanhood?  I'm questioning your sanity.  I've officially figured it out.  You are the leader of the Shyamalan Cult.  Allow me to let you in on a little secret... M. Night told me something himself, so you might wanna write this down.  He said, "You're allowed to be a fan of me and dislike The Happening."  I swear man, he whispered it in my ear and told me to spread the word.

I think you and I+others have a different idea of "fan."  I say a fan of Shyamalan is someone who admires his work as a film maker, and values his art with a greater respect than others.  Your definition of fan is something along the lines of a person who worships Shyamalan, prays to him, fantasizes about him, and considers him a god.

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You are on M. Night fans.com, so of course you are going to have people who agree with me when I say that The Happening is the second best movie of the year...

Find one of these people and I'll give you a cookie.

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None of the movies you mentioned even reach the same level The Happening so easily passed.
The Happening was visually awe-inspiring! It was shot to near perfection.

You're absolutely right.  The Happening was VISUALLY amazing.  But that's it!  Yeah nobody will deny the fact that Shyamaln is a fantastic visual director, and he has a great cinematographical knowledge.  You agreed with me when I said that story is everything, yet you still claim The Happening was one of the greatest films of the year.  Oh yeah, and in case you haven't noticed, it had a terrible story.  Unbelievable, (in the negative connotation) cheesy, not compelling, not entertaining, and mos def not what Night is capable of. Cleveland Heep's little comment about the gay porno was brilliant.

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And most importantly, the message came across very well, and I think people really understood its meaning.

You thought wrong.

Tell me what the message was again?  Please, Avatar.

You come into this forum and your first post is immediately tearing down other people's opinions with no evidence to back up your claims.  Yeah, I know.  I'm tearing down your opinion.  So I'm being slightly hypocritical by doing the very thing I'm telling you not to do.  That's ok with me though, I've provided plenty of evidence before bashing people.

To wrap up this little thought I have, I'd just like to let you know that I am dying to know what you have to say to my post.  ;D

And before you make any more incorrect accusations about people on this forum, I am a fan of M. Night.


Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 27, 2008, 12:48:45 AM
Cleveland,
If Shyamalan made a gay porno, it would be the equivalent or better than Brokeback Mountain. Brokeback Mountain had gay themes, a gay sex scene, and people still loved it. It won a couple awards.
If it was shot well, had a good story and was acted well, in fact yes, it would be a great movie just controversial.

You can still call yourself a fan, but I don't think you understand what Shyamalan is trying to accomplish in The Happening. I mean it did have some flaws, but it was still better than any other 2008 movie. I am not saying its the second best movie of all time, you need to understand that, I am saying its good for this year.


I am not praising Shyamalan as a "god", but I am saying he is a damn good director.

I'm not expecting your average movie goer to understand this movie and take it to heart. People are not smart. Most will not get many things in movies they go see, you cannot deny that, so it makes no difference if "people" laughed at this movie or not. It doesn't give or take from the film.

And you have no clue what you are talking about Cleveland, I am willing to bet you The Happening will win many awards this year.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 27, 2008, 01:24:56 AM

Im gonna break apart your argument bit by bit.

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first part: If shyamalan made a PORNO, it would not be bettter than Brokeback Mountain. Brokeback Mountain - i agree, was'nt STORY INTENSIVE - but it had GREAT CHARACTERS.

So if M. Night Shyamalan made a full on, unfiltered homosexual sex tape for the Internet it would be better than Brokeback Mountain??

You're seriously like one of those "not smart" people you were referring to later on.

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second part: I completelely understand what this film is talking about. i followed this movie from start to finish. unfortunately it didn't finish well.
The problem is, no one f-cking cares what the Happening TRIED to accomplish. Fact is: it didn't accomplish ANYTHING (besides horrible acting and cheesy dialogue)

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third: No one denies he is great director (again failed with The Happening)

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fourth: "People are NOT SMART" - So moviegoers are smart when they like Shyamalans movies and they're dumb when they don't.

So technically, when anyone dislikes this movie, they're dumb.

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fifth: This made me laugh so much.

You are so right.

The Happening will walk away with a lot of awards.
I agree.


Unfortunately, those awards will all be Razzies.

Have you been on Rotten Tomatoes Lately? Spoken to anyone outside your shell??
WHO LIKES THIS MOVIE??? 

The last time a movie with a rating below 20% on RT won a significant award at the Oscars was --

OH WAIT. IT NEVER HAPPENED.

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How old are you, Avatar111? Cause you write like one of those "Twilight-crazy" girls.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 27, 2008, 01:33:01 PM
Wow, I enjoyed The Happening, but I wouldn't put it on the level that Avatar111 is putting it on, I think Cleveland Heep and Elijah Price know that I enjoy the movie, but that I realise the acting wasn't good and the dialogue was bad, sounded like one of my home movies, and that the story was incredibly lacking.  I'm a HUGE Shyamalan fan, but this was not the second best movie of the year, not even close.  It's not going to win a lot of awards, the only thing it might get nominated for at the Oscars is cinematography, but it will lose to The Dark Knight.  Also, you can't say that Cleveland is not a fan of Shyamalan, he is, he's made lots of good posts on this site, but you can still be a fan even if you don't enjoy The Happening.  I've studied Night's films a whole lot, and what he was trying to accomplish in The Happening just didn't come through.  I still enjoyed the movie, but it's my least favorite of his films. 
On a side note, how could you not like Iron Man, I loved that movie, I actually liked it better than the Dark Knight, but I'm slightly biased as I'm a Marvel fan.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 27, 2008, 08:43:53 PM
Wow is anyone a fan of M. Night on this website?  Do you "people" not understand that The Happening is the best film of 2008, and the best director on planet Earth did his best job ever on this film?

At first, I just thought that Cleveland and Elijah weren't fans, but now I'm questioning your fanhood Mr. Glass.  I guess you're not as bad as them though, you actually enjoyed it to an extent. 

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Also, you can't say that Cleveland is not a fan of Shyamalan, he is, he's made lots of good posts on this site, but you can still be a fan even if you don't enjoy The Happening.

First Ammendment, Freedom of Speech.  I can say whatever I want.  And right now I want to say that Cleveland has made no good posts so far that I've read.  Are you going to tell me now that Elijah Price has made good posts on this site?  That is preposterous.

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On a side note, how could you not like Iron Man, I loved that movie, I actually liked it better than the Dark Knight, but I'm slightly biased as I'm a Marvel fan.

Iron Man was the worst movie of the year.  I mean let's start with the title.  Iron Man?  That's the most cliche title I've ever heard.  And the special effects were stupid and RDJ did a terrible job and all the witty lines weren't even that funny.  I mean I know what the director was trying to accomplish.  He was trying to prove that eventually everyone will have the technology to become superheroes, and it won't be a good thing.  He's trying to prove that super heroes and advanced technology will eventually lead to global destruction.  If you "people" didn't catch that then you don't know how to analyze a film.

Mr. Glass, I thought you would be on my side, but I guess you're not a fan of M. Night.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 28, 2008, 12:30:42 AM
That's the second stupidest thing I've ever heard.  The first stupidest thing I've ever heard is when you said The Happening was the second best film of the year.
LOL...just thought that was pretty entertaining.

And if shyamalan made a gay porno, (feature) it would probably be technically brilliant and most people wouldnt get it. I'd probably go see it, just cause his name was on it, but i wouldnt expect it to win any awards. too controversial.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Specter on November 28, 2008, 12:46:06 AM
Avatar111: Mr. Glass has been on this site for years.  He wouldn't have stuck with it, or even registered, if he wasn't a fan of M. Night.

I built the site and I'm not a big fan of "The Happening."  I have high hopes for "The Last Airbender" Trilogy, as I feel that taking a break is the best thing he can do, as far as his own creativity is concerned.

I believe that he had some excellent ideas for "The Happening," and that he was on the right track with it.  I also believe that, in execution, some of those ideas were either better on paper than on screen, or they just didn't come across very well.  In short, there are some major problems with the structure of the film in some places.  

(For instance: when Zooey and Mark decide to die together, the little girl is put at risk as well... what gives?  A more powerful moment would have been Zooey telling the little girl to stay there and lock the door behind her, and to not let her back in, no matter what.  And it would have built up more tension as the little girl waits, and after Zooey and Mark embrace, he could have cut back to the girl, huddled in the corner, and hearing someone trying to break down the door.. and when the door finally comes down, she turns and it's both Zooey and Mark, and they're smiling, and the little girl hesitates at first, and then runs over and hugs them.)

Another thing, let's not talk any more about Night making a 'gay porno.'  That's just wrong and not a topic I want discussed on what I'm trying to keep a family-friendly site.

On the topic of Iron Man, Avatar111, you've just accomplished writing the most ignorant paragraph about that film that I've ever read.  Iron Man is based on a comic book of the same name, that has been around for many years.  The story wasn't at all about how advanced technology will lead to global destruction.  It's about how one man's decisions could lead to global destruction, and how his life is changed when he is actually effected by the very things he had created.  If you think the title is "cliche" then you've got another thing coming.  That's always been his name.  As much as Spider-Man, Superman and Batman have always been called their names as well.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 28, 2008, 03:06:28 AM
First off Avatar111, that was the most preposterous and stupid post I've ever read.

First off: You have no authority to tell someone who isn't a fan. I love Spielberg, but I hated Artificial Intelligence. I understand what he was trying to do but it sucked.

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On the topic of Iron Man, Avatar111, you've just accomplished writing the most ignorant paragraph about that film that I've ever read.  Iron Man is based on a comic book of the same name, that has been around for many years.  The

Just thought that was good. Seriously, are Batman, Superman, and Spiderman all stupid names too?

Avatar111, I have honestly been convinced of one of three things.

a. You are related to or have a crush on Shyamalan. Because that's the only thing that would explain why you stick up for him so much.
b. You are completely ignorant of anything that constitutes as good cinema.
c. You loved this movie, so you feel like you have to defend it.

Again and again, Shyamalan did have excellent ideas for this film. The premise and the logline is great. It's just the execution that failed miserably.

(Specter, I apologize for the use of innappropriate language. It will not happen again)

Avatar111,

I admire your appreciation and fanhood. I legitimately do. But it's hard doing that when you're accusing everyone who finds a fault in something you like to be traitors. You're honestly acting like a 5 year old.

Avatar111, I challenge you to read some Reviews of the movie. Type in "Happening Reviews"  and just see what they have to say. If you read objectively and actually hear what they're saying - not from a "Happening is the best movie ever" perspective - you can really learn some things.



On behalf of Elijah Price and I, we are both fans. Die-hard fans.


And on behalf of everyone, Happy Thanksgiving! God Bless.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 28, 2008, 01:25:37 PM
hey, i thought AI was a great movie!   :o
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 28, 2008, 03:58:17 PM
Wow Specter, I guess your not much of a M. Night fan either.  :-[

I came to this site expecting to find fans of the GREATEST film director whoever set foot on this planet.
Shyamalan is better than:
Kubrick,
Coen Brothers,
Speilberg,
Lucas,
Fritz Lang,
Terrintino,
Baud Elaire,
Francis Ford Coppela,
Lynch,
Leone,
and even better than Hitchcock.




Untill you realize this fact, you do not deserve to call yourself a fan.


P.S. Namaste, do you even know what A.I. stands for?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Sanford on November 28, 2008, 04:46:22 PM
Alright, Avatar111 has got to be some kind of troll or something. There's no way anyone could be so intensely conservative like that. I live in Oklahoma (the "bible belt" of America) and I've never met or seen anyone as radical as Avatar. This has all got to be some weird joke.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 28, 2008, 05:20:13 PM
P.S. Namaste, do you even know what A.I. stands for?

lmao..  maybe, Absolute Idiot?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 28, 2008, 10:47:56 PM
P.S. Namaste, do you even know what A.I. stands for?

lmao..  maybe, Absolute Idiot?

Hahaha!  That's the funniest thing ever.  Good one Namaste.

And from here on out, I will do my best to ignore everything that Avatar111 says.  And that might be because every post he makes just feels like a kick to the crotch of film critique.

Specter, I have a great respect for you.  Especially as far as The Happening is concerned.  You pretty much summed up my fellings towards that movie (to an extent) in a nutshell.

Just a quick question for everyone that I thought would be interesting (Avatar111, I don't care about your opinion on this subject matter whatsoever) but are there any T.V. shows you guys are obsessed with right now?  And if Shyamalan were to make a T.V. show, do you think he could pull it off?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on November 28, 2008, 11:00:09 PM
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Just a quick question for everyone that I thought would be interesting (Avatar111, I don't care about your opinion on this subject matter whatsoever) but are there any T.V. shows you guys are obsessed with right now?  And if Shyamalan were to make a T.V. show, do you think he could pull it off?

Elijah is this really the place for you to be asking this?
Why dont you leave this post and start up your own under M. Night or something...
Your leading this whole forum onto a tangent, so if you dont mind....
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 28, 2008, 11:52:52 PM
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Just a quick question for everyone that I thought would be interesting (Avatar111, I don't care about your opinion on this subject matter whatsoever) but are there any T.V. shows you guys are obsessed with right now?  And if Shyamalan were to make a T.V. show, do you think he could pull it off?

Elijah is this really the place for you to be asking this?
Why dont you leave this post and start up your own under M. Night or something...
Your leading this whole forum onto a tangent, so if you dont mind....


I rest my case about me "not caring about Avatar's opinion whatsoever."  Hey Avatar, here's an idea.  Next time you log on, go to all of your posts and push the "delete post" button.  That will make everyone alot happier once you've done that. 

So I'm psyched to hear what you guys have to say about the T.V. show idea.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 28, 2008, 11:58:22 PM
lol, avatar's got a point..i just kinda skipped over replying to his post, thinking it speaks for itself. But now that you've read it and still think this is the place for that topic, then i have to jump in and agree that you should start a new thread for that..or find an existing one closer to your theme.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 29, 2008, 12:01:39 AM
Avatar111 is doing this on purpose.
NO DOUBT.


He's just playing with us.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 29, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
lol, avatar's got a point..i just kinda skipped over replying to his post, thinking it speaks for itself. But now that you've read it and still think this is the place for that topic, then i have to jump in and agree that you should start a new thread for that..or find an existing one closer to your theme.

I've heard random ideas all across the board on this site and on threads that are completely off the wall.  There's threads (swear to God) about first kisses.  On M. Night fans.  First kisses?  Please.  This isn't the site for "first kiss" talk.  But okay!  I'll start a new thread...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: the_sorcerer on November 29, 2008, 10:05:57 AM
Guys. I love you all. I love the fact that we're all in with Shyamalan, you know. But stop throwing crap out saying people loved this movie. Are Critics Dumbasses, too??. I mean the movie has a very low score on Rotten Tomotoes. THat means something. Obviously no movie goes unliked. It has its supporters. But when a ton of people say it sucks you gotta start listening to them and stop living in a hole.


DAMMIT MAN! I was totally on board with you this whole post, until you said this. YES critics are dumbasses, rotten tomatoes means absolutely NOTHING, and if a bunch of people dislike something does NOT mean that you can't like it yourself. There are a lot of movies I see as classics that have a score on rotten tomatoes in the low teens. I stopped paying attention to rotten tomatoes a long time ago and started thinking for myself. ROTTEN TOMATOES MEANS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: the_sorcerer on November 29, 2008, 10:18:14 AM
Please lower your caps next time, I'd f*cking slap you right now. We ain?t idiots and can read properly. I?m also not quoting you because formation of your post is incredibly annoying, so I?ll just give a hint to which part I?m reffering.

[The who cares part n? all]

Yup, that?s exactly a type of opinion which made modern children immune to art and spirit. Who cares if there?s 1 movie in 3 years which steps out of superhero-comic-old-books-new-books-someone else?s story-quickly-scrabbled for screening movies. Who cares if movie?s scenario and directing is of such precise methodology and formal logic based on scientific facts and knowledge that one can draw each scene, and each line of speech together without probable gap. Who cares if there?s a film director of SF movies who can actually send a message, and can actually spend below 100 mil. $ to make one without looking like crap.(not that modern 3d engineering looks good, though. Just sharp)


[the story part?]

Yeah, just try to prove Happening has no story. I?d really love to see that. I got all excited thinking about your process of proving. (Oh, wait, you won?t do it.)

[people didn't like the HAPPENING because a. it was unbelievable and b. it was executed poorly?]

Yeah?this nature SF movie is so unbeliavable?while LitW, Unbreakable, Signs and Sixth Sense really are, I was totally into them! I was into ET aswell! And reality of War of the Worlds totally blew me off. I also believed See no Evil is very real?Spiderman, and Star Wars, now that?s a religion man, not just being or not being real...give me a break. You plan to defend your point with these arguments? Might as well decide not to type anymore. Poor execution, lol. I very much doubt you can judge that. The only thing poor in this movie is acting and personally I could never understand why was it that bad. Even if he might think that this unexpected events might affect people precisely like that: put them in emotionless disbelief, he still should have pulled an acting role atleast to some point of charm.

[And honestly, if you have to explain the movie to everyone who didn't like it, you know that there's something wrong with the movie. Something the movie did not do. The Happening had great potential but it was a poorly executed film.]

Not really, no. That means that there?s something wrong with Baudelaire, too. I am not sure you have dares to claim there?s something wrong with Baudelaire. He?s just far beyond understandings of little citizenship.

[shyamalan?s genious but happening is crap and I know people?]

That?s where ideas may differ. You cannot possibly call Happening crap. Hate it. You may hate it because it?s not as good as his other films, feeling dissapointed or so, but not hate it for itself alone. You may dislike poor acting, be dissapointed by visual simplicity or whatever, but you may not call that movie crap. Calling it crap (or any similar phrase) makes you ignorant to the importancy and content of his creation.


[This movie was bound to be a hit part?]

No, not really. No one expected it to be a hit. Perhaps USA residents. I don?t know anyone who thought it will be a hit. All I met thought it will underachieve. I agreed.

[the script sucked part?]

Script didn?t suck. The dialogue wasn?t good and acting was bad (bad acting is often followed by crappy dialogue, or vice-versa). Nothing else sucked. I?ll repeat myself, I don?t know why that happened. The movie itself was designed raw on purpose, but poor acting has no argument. Although one may say he did it on purpose, and that may be correct to some point, it?s not a way to approach to audience. Film-making, after all, is based around?well?acting.


[rotten tomato part?]

I?m anti-rm. I do not approve anything they write, so this argument kinda bounces off me. I also do not like public critic, those who apparantly think their word is given by god and who battle for their space and time in newspaper/shows. All of them have serious insight disorders and many, many personal issues I cannot really explain but to mention their defeat in LitW. Anyone who can?t say anything good about any movie which didn?t come pleasant to himself is not a good critic and shouldn?t be taken seriously. That?s what an old maestro of film critic from Croatia said and it 100% stands.


Ugh, this thread is ridiculous....ok so you're comeback to EVERYTHING this guy doesn't like about the movie is "you're wrong?" The dude is stating his opinion, and you come back with "you don't like the writing? well I guess that means you don't like some other non-related author from the 1800's." nothing you said had any relevance to his statements, so please actually read the post next time before firing back with nonsensical phrases with big "intelligent sounding" words thrown in for no reason.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: the_sorcerer on November 29, 2008, 10:21:00 AM
They don't have to like it..but they have to recognize it was technically a good movie.

Um, no they don't. I don't think that LITW OR The Happening were technically even decent movies. I still love them both and watch them all the time but I don't think they're anything more than entertainment haha.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 29, 2008, 04:22:42 PM
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Ugh, this thread is ridiculous....ok so you're comeback to EVERYTHING this guy doesn't like about the movie is "you're wrong?" The dude is stating his opinion, and you come back with "you don't like the writing? well I guess that means you don't like some other non-related author from the 1800's." nothing you said had any relevance to his statements, so please actually read the post next time before firing back with nonsensical phrases with big "intelligent sounding" words thrown in for no reason.

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Um, no they don't. I don't think that LITW OR The Happening were technically even decent movies. I still love them both and watch them all the time but I don't think they're anything more than entertainment haha.

Yes!!!  Finally!!!  Another who understands...

And what you said about Decadent Sympozium's post was pretty spot on.  I like the guy...  But the "intelligent sounding words" thing is very true.  I'm sure you'll delight in some of my previous posts on this thread.  Cleveland Heep and I were trying to say that The Happening wasn't all that great, and Namaste, Decadent, and various others were trying to say that it was.  It was a fun little debate.  I enjoyed it actually.  Both sides brought up some good points.

Yes I just summed up this entire thread in a paragraph (to an extent) and I'm not "insulting your inteligence" by regergitating everything that people wrote but I wasn't sure If you were down to read all 11 pages of this thread.. lol.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 29, 2008, 04:37:44 PM
Avatar111 is doing this on purpose.
NO DOUBT.


He's just playing with us.



You know those bait threads that people set up so they can just causecomplete havoc?  Avatars post was one of them and he knows it.  He's probably sitting back laughing his ass off like people did when they saw The Happening (only harder, much, much harder).

His whole entire argument has no base or foundation what so ever.  I saw his post when he first put it up, and I started to rip into him, but I knew Mr. Heep would do it. (as well as everyone else) 

Avatar, all your are unrealistic, no offence intended, but Mr. Glass and all of us basically concluded that this movie is a bad movie (Even though Mr. Glass liked it, and theirs nothing wrong with liking a well disliked movie).

Avatar, you simply need to read all the post in this thread, then you'll be ok. 
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 29, 2008, 04:46:43 PM
Ah... The Prince speaks.

Twas a good little debate we had a while back.

And here's the link to a thread I started about M. Night and a T.V. show for those who were interested earlier.

http://www.mnightfans.com/forums/index.php?topic=2219.0

Love to hear what you guys have to say.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: steinmansbrain on November 30, 2008, 11:08:52 AM
If Shyamalan made a gay porno, it would be the equivalent or better than Brokeback Mountain.

That's the best thing I've read on the internet ever.

This has been a truly entertainting thread.


I think it's pretty cool that people are coming round to the fact that 'The Happening' was abysmal (sorry how are we writing it now?...Erm...Oh 'technically perfect' ;))


Don't understand how people are mocking Avatar111 for his view of 'The Happening' though. So you guys all love the film...but as soon as someone says it's the best film of the year you all go nuts??

Millions of people say 'The Godfather' is the best film ever...does everyone here agree?


Stop pointing to bloody Rotten Tomato's ffs!! RT is not the answer!!! Heep most of your posts on here have made a lot of sense and I'm pleased you've tried to avert people from seeing Night as flawless but you keep undermining yourself by throwing in "go check the magical rotten tomatos.com!" at the end of every bloody post!  >:(

(Ok I'm probably paraphrasing there.)


On here arn't we all about saying the critics don't know what they're talking about? (most of the time...)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 30, 2008, 02:00:56 PM
I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, Cleveland) that Cleveland is basing his opinions and ideas around RT.  I just think that when people say, "Oh, Cleveland, you don't know what you're talking about.  Everyone loved The Happening!" Cleveland uses RT as a reference.  RT (to an extent) represents the general consensus of the people who have seen the movie.  It's not Cleveland's one and only foundation for his arguement, it's just a widely accepted site that people recognize as an unbiased opinion towards films.  Obviously, the majority of M. Night fans are biased, and when we claim that The Happening is in fact a fantastic film in every aspect, we cannot be considered a completely reliable source. 

All in all, The Happening wasn't great.  So when Heep claims that "most people disliked the movie" and he refrences RT, you cannot completely tear him apart for it.  Even I disagree with some of the things that RT says, but that doesn't rule it out as an unreliable source of information.

Now I've agreed with Heep on almost all of the points he has brought up in the past, and personally, I don't think RT means much in this arguement. 

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just taking a side here... Lol.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 30, 2008, 02:28:29 PM
steinmansbrain,

I've never loved The Happening, I never really liked it first of all, and secondly Avatar's being mocked, first because he questioned peoples fanhood because they didn't like The Happening, (which is insane).  I don't like the Happening and I'm a big M. Night fan.  Being a huge fan of ANYONE doesn't mean that you're going to or HAVE to LOVE or even LIKE everything they do, it's unrealistic, it's even more unrealistic when you question peoples fanhood, it's absurd.


The Godfather won quite a few awards and raked in alot of cash at the box office and is a critically acclaimed film, (The Happening hasn't and will not do any of those.  The Godfather could be re-released every 10 to 20 years and would make money and do well, The Happening would not, plus alot more people LOVE The Godfather worldwide by a wide margin than The Happening.  If Avatar wants to say that it ranks with The Dark Knight and There Will Be Blood, then that's his deal, how he came up with that opinion is...whatever it is I completely disagree with him.  TDK will make more money in DVD and Blue-Ray sales than The Happening will make in it's whole entirety, that's a fact.  There Will Be Blood is a masterpiece and it was Oscar nominated, and is another movie that will spawn alot of DVD incarnations through the years.  Other than a M. Night Box-Set, that'll be the only other re-release on DVD that you'll ever see for The Happening, ever.  I wonder though with Avatar loving The Happening, (with it's many, many many, many flaws) what would the caliber of movie that M. Night would have to put out for Avatar to consider it a piece of #@!*.  Inquiring minds want to know.  I think it would be interesting to know this.

One other thing, if you looked at Avatars post, you make make a post like that and NOT expect people not to react to it.
I mean, come on, to question peoples fanhood?  Get serious.  That's almost a direct insult.

If anyone loved The Happening, then that's their opinion and their deal...afterall everyones allowed to love some movies that suck (The Happening).      

This debate is crazy, it was a bad bad bad movie plain and simple.

     
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: steinmansbrain on November 30, 2008, 02:46:15 PM
I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, Cleveland) that Cleveland is basing his opinions and ideas around RT.  I just think that when people say, "Oh, Cleveland, you don't know what you're talking about.  Everyone loved The Happening!" Cleveland uses RT as a reference.  RT (to an extent) represents the general consensus of the people who have seen the movie.  It's not Cleveland's one and only foundation for his arguement, it's just a widely accepted site that people recognize as an unbiased opinion towards films.  Obviously, the majority of M. Night fans are biased, and when we claim that The Happening is in fact a fantastic film in every aspect, we cannot be considered a completely reliable source. 

All in all, The Happening wasn't great.  So when Heep claims that "most people disliked the movie" and he refrences RT, you cannot completely tear him apart for it.  Even I disagree with some of the things that RT says, but that doesn't rule it out as an unreliable source of information.

Now I've agreed with Heep on almost all of the points he has brought up in the past, and personally, I don't think RT means much in this arguement. 

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just taking a side here... Lol.


Heep feels for The Tomato like Avatar111 feels for Night. It's unhealthy (the website addiction that is... not the fruit).

Basing his opinions and idea's??? If only that's where it ended!! He's based his whole view of life on the b*stard site!!

Lol of course I'm only joking and you're absolutely right it's a valid site to reference (occasionally ^^)

As for you steinmansbrain, if you want to defend him, it's cool, go for it...(if that's what you're doing).

This debate is crazy, it was a bad bad bad movie plain and simple.

I'm done with this thread.  This was a good debate.    


Yeah I was defending him. And yeah I thought The Happening sucked too. One of the worst films ever imo. Those guys over at Rotten Tomato's.com got it spot on ;D
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Prince111 on November 30, 2008, 02:46:39 PM
I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong, Cleveland) that Cleveland is basing his opinions and ideas around RT.  I just think that when people say, "Oh, Cleveland, you don't know what you're talking about.  Everyone loved The Happening!" Cleveland uses RT as a reference.  RT (to an extent) represents the general consensus of the people who have seen the movie.  It's not Cleveland's one and only foundation for his arguement, it's just a widely accepted site that people recognize as an unbiased opinion towards films.  Obviously, the majority of M. Night fans are biased, and when we claim that The Happening is in fact a fantastic film in every aspect, we cannot be considered a completely reliable source. 

All in all, The Happening wasn't great.  So when Heep claims that "most people disliked the movie" and he refrences RT, you cannot completely tear him apart for it.  Even I disagree with some of the things that RT says, but that doesn't rule it out as an unreliable source of information.

Now I've agreed with Heep on almost all of the points he has brought up in the past, and personally, I don't think RT means much in this arguement. 

I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just taking a side here... Lol.

Great post EP, I couldn't have said it better.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on November 30, 2008, 03:51:34 PM
Calling The Happening the best film of the year is like calling the Jersey Girl the best comedy ever made.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on November 30, 2008, 04:53:21 PM
Calling The Happening the best film of the year is like calling the Jersey Girl the best comedy ever made.

I would think that is hilarious if I ever saw Jersey Girl.

Lol...

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Heep feels for The Tomato like Avatar111 feels for Night. It's unhealthy (the website addiction that is... not the fruit).

Not entirely true, but still a funny comparrison.



Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: steinmansbrain on November 30, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
Well that's the thing I don't think anyone could say what the best comedy ever is could they?

Well they couldn't. Comedy is different for everyone.

I lent my friend 'The Life Fantastic With Steve Zissou' the other day and he said it sucked. Said it wasn't funny at all. I've read 5 star reviews of that in loads of places!!

I might go and see what Rotten Tomato's has to say about it...

I bet I know one person who already has......

Lol I'm just joshing ;)

EDIT:

Yeah I suppose questioning the fanhood was destined to get an unhappy response...Lol especially since he'd been a fan for what like a day or something?? Lol like posted once on here then started declaring himself Night's number one fan haha. I couldn't be insulted by that though tbh.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Namaste on November 30, 2008, 11:32:16 PM
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Heep feels for The Tomato like Avatar111 feels for Night. It's unhealthy (the website addiction that is... not the fruit).


LOL
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on December 01, 2008, 01:56:32 AM
avatar111 doesnt care about Night.
Its all a joke.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: marco on December 01, 2008, 09:49:23 AM
Despite everything,there is always something in his movies that makes me want to watch them over and over again.The Happening makes no exception,and that's another point for Mr.Shyamalan  ;)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 01, 2008, 02:42:07 PM
Wow, interesting thread, never thought it would end up like this.  If you read through the entire thread you will notcie that I like The Happening, but as people brought up points I realised that it was not a good movie.  I always knew that the majority of people didn't like it, I enjoyed it but my opinion of it has changed.  Prince111, Elijah Price, and Cleveland Heep have all brought up very valid, and good points.  Avatar111 is ridiculous, I never thought I would, or anybody else on this site would have their fandom questioned, but this thing has gotten out of hand.  It was a good debate, and I have been swayed to the other side.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: marco on December 01, 2008, 03:13:40 PM
No,Mr_Glass,don't go to the Dark Side!!  :D
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 01, 2008, 03:25:23 PM
What, the story and telling were bad, the movie-as a stright up movie, was bad.  Also, I don't know where Avatar111 gets the idea that he's a critic, because he completely misunderstood Iron Man, his posts are ridiculous and I think he's just trying to get us mad, other people have summed up his posts better than I can.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on December 01, 2008, 07:22:40 PM
I have a great respect for Mr. Glass.  I walked into this (super fun) debate open minded, and willing to be convinced otherwise about The Happening.  Mr. Glass was on the "opposing side" and he also brought up some great points about the film that I had failed to recognize before.  I admire your courage and integrity, Mr. Glass. 

No,Mr_Glass,don't go to the Dark Side!!  :D

Oh puh-lease.  Have you read this thread at all?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Sanford on December 01, 2008, 11:49:44 PM
I actually liked the movie quite a bit. I realize it's not perfect (far from it) but I don't know, it's kind of a guilty pleasure thing for me. I just have fun when I'm watching it. It's just zany and goofy and whacky. And Zooey is easy on the eyes.

But I do hope Shyamalan bounces back one day. Hopefully...
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 02, 2008, 01:17:48 PM
I have a great respect for Mr. Glass.  I walked into this (super fun) debate open minded, and willing to be convinced otherwise about The Happening.  Mr. Glass was on the "opposing side" and he also brought up some great points about the film that I had failed to recognize before.  I admire your courage and integrity, Mr. Glass. 

No,Mr_Glass,don't go to the Dark Side!!  :D

Oh puh-lease.  Have you read this thread at all?

I think Marco was being a little sarcastic.  :P Elijah Price, the feeling are mutual towards you, I've enjoyed (for the most part) debating about The Happening and its good things and bad things, I was convinced and changed my opinion, this has been a very interesting thread, and thanks for debating.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on December 02, 2008, 02:01:10 PM

Sorry I was on vacation, I can assure you I am for real when I say that Shyamalan is THE BEST director in the world and will be for quite some time. He is one of the best looking men I have ever seen as a director, and I have a bit of a man crush on him.  If you are just a casual fan of movies, you might or might not like The Happening.  If you are a true M. Knight fan, you should love it.

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on December 02, 2008, 08:35:48 PM
I know we mentioned this already, and honestly this has nothing to do with this post.

A lot of people think The Dark Knight was the best film of the year. I did too.

But then I saw Slumdog Millionaire.

Hands down, bar-none, the best picture of the year, the last few years, and one of the best ever made.
I hope it wins everything!
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on December 02, 2008, 08:53:21 PM
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If you are a true M. Knight fan, you should love it.

If you are a true Shyamalan fan, you would know how to spell his name...

I know we mentioned this already, and honestly this has nothing to do with this post.

A lot of people think The Dark Knight was the best film of the year. I did too.

But then I saw Slumdog Millionaire.

Hands down, bar-none, the best picture of the year, the last few years, and one of the best ever made.
I hope it wins everything!

I've heard it's like this year's Juno, or Little Miss Sunshine.  I'm excited for Slumdog.

And just thought of this question (and this time in concerns The Happening) but do you think this movie could have been any better if it was in the hands of a different director?
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: LovMnight on December 02, 2008, 10:59:08 PM
Wow, new to the post but I love the tangents you guys take.
Avatar, you are an idiot. Either you're joking around or are a diehard moronic M. Night fan. The Happening was not one of his best movies, and you're pathetic to claim that it  is.
Wow, Cleveland and Elijah. You guys are always on the same page. It's almost like you guys are the same person.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Avatar111 on December 03, 2008, 02:07:05 AM
Ok, LovMnight, I see your point.  I have not been taking this completely seriously, but do not disregard my point. My point is simply this: I love M. Night. I love his movies. I never said The Happening was on par with The Sixth Sense. The Happening is one of his worst movies to date. He can do better, and he can and will. However, upon looking at all the other movies out in 2008, The Happening ranks high.  The Dark Knight was a good movie. Duh. Beyond that, I have seen no other movies with the depth and quality of The Happening. Obviously the script and acting were average.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: marco on December 03, 2008, 06:43:26 AM
I have a great respect for Mr. Glass.  I walked into this (super fun) debate open minded, and willing to be convinced otherwise about The Happening.  Mr. Glass was on the "opposing side" and he also brought up some great points about the film that I had failed to recognize before.  I admire your courage and integrity, Mr. Glass. 

No,Mr_Glass,don't go to the Dark Side!!  :D

Oh puh-lease.  Have you read this thread at all?

Well,if you talk this way,I must assume that you haven't read this thread carefully (go to page 2 and see my post,than you'll know).
However,I'm glad Mr_Glass understood the nature of my post,because it was meant for him  ;)
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 03, 2008, 01:17:41 PM
I have heard amazing things about SLumdog Millionare, just not sure if it's showing in my area. 

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If you are a true M. Knight fan, you should love it.

If you are a true Shyamalan fan, you would know how to spell his name...

If you are a true Shyamalan fan, you would know how to spell his name...
All I can say to that is wow.  :o
I honestly think this was a good year for movies, lots of new techniques, great stories, good points to be thought about, even the horror films tried new stuff. 
Elijah Price-if The Happening had been it the hands of any other director it would have been worse, no way around it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: steinmansbrain on December 03, 2008, 01:37:20 PM
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If you are a true M. Knight fan, you should love it.

If you are a true Shyamalan fan, you would know how to spell his name...

That's superb.

I know we mentioned this already, and honestly this has nothing to do with this post.

A lot of people think The Dark Knight was the best film of the year. I did too.

But then I saw Slumdog Millionaire.

Hands down, bar-none, the best picture of the year, the last few years, and one of the best ever made.
I hope it wins everything!

Yeah that's directed by Danny Boyle aint it? (a quick google check would tell me but what's the point if everyone can just go and check google every time the going gets tough) Who did 'Trainspotting'? and 'The Beach'? and (my personal favourite) 'Sunshine'?

I'm probably gonna' see it eventually but not sure I can be bothered to go to the cinema for it.

Unless it is really really good and not just an obscure one that like some people love and others hate....such as....erm.....er.....

pfft mind's gone blank

 :)




Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Elijah Price on December 03, 2008, 06:50:16 PM
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Well,if you talk this way,I must assume that you haven't read this thread carefully (go to page 2 and see my post,than you'll know).
However,I'm glad Mr_Glass understood the nature of my post,because it was meant for him 

Yeah I understood the sarcasm.  I was being sarcastic right back.

(Sarcasm translates terribly through stuff like this... lol.)

I haven't heard anything bad about Slumdog from the small amount of people who have seen it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Cleveland Heep on December 03, 2008, 10:27:06 PM
I think I can safely say it was one of the best films ever made.
And if you get the ending titles, you get the whole movie and you'll love it even more.

But go see it before it becomes that sleeper hit that everyone sees. You can say you saw it before everyone else did.

In the Bay Area (California), it's only playing in like 7 theaters but all those are really nice.

steinmansbrain - This is THE movie of the year. See it in theaters.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 04, 2008, 12:59:31 PM
Yeah, sarcasm is so hard to get across on the internet. 

I have heard so many good things about Slumdog but it's not showing in my area, at least not yet. 

Hey Cleveland, I know the movie you're talking about, wait, I forgot it again...I'll get back to you on that.  ;)

Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: San Jose Shark on February 09, 2009, 01:24:17 PM
     Actually I would like to see what Cronenberg would have done with The Happening, the man is in a league of his own.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 09, 2009, 01:57:54 PM
I actually haven't seen any of his stuff, yet.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Rulm on April 26, 2009, 11:13:25 AM
It was a pretty terrible film... :-X

But yeah, top 10 worst of all time or just that year? All time? Nah, there are worse. That year? Yeah.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on July 06, 2009, 03:34:55 PM
Yeah, that's basically the conclusion we've come to.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: villager on September 18, 2009, 10:29:35 AM
I have viewed some clips and I don't think I will watch this movie. The acting looks like it made the film really bad. Did Night just want to make a rated R movie? That might be one reason why people wanted to see it.
Title: Re: Yahoo-10 Worst Horror Films
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 04, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
I know that's what some people claim, that he was just trying to make an R rated film.