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Title: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 11, 2008, 01:52:52 AM
I just wanna say..this movie sucked worse than anything I've seen in the past couple of months (including W, Eagle Eye, and Babylon AD). It's not a movie, its just one long twist ending to a dead series of movies. it's boring..there's nothing to it..nothing new or creative. If you wanna watch it just to get some closure on the series, go ahead and watch it online, but don't waste your money on it. There's a lot of useless tacked-on, shallow action that doesnt really lead anywhere, or mean anything to the main so-called story. When they figure out why the people are in the game this time it's like "-yawn- who cares?" It was not believable in the least..the dialogue was horrible, and the character's motivations weren't logical.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Erik on November 11, 2008, 06:49:31 AM
Only 'Saw' is good, they shouldn't have made a sequal at all. The open ending of the first one was just great. Besides that, they're not able at all to make a sequal that is as good as Saw 1.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 11, 2008, 10:52:20 AM
That's true..Saw I by itself would have been great. Saw II wasnt that great, but saw III was good. saw IV..ehhh and you already know my opinion of Saw V.  Also, Saw V is only like 83 minutes..the ending is very abrupt..it's not the conclusion i was hoping for.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Rohan on November 11, 2008, 01:31:07 PM
I like all saw movies. Saw 4 kind a made me to stop watching the rest.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 11, 2008, 01:54:53 PM
I haven't seen any of the Saw movies, don't watch slasher films for that matter.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Rohan on November 11, 2008, 02:11:28 PM
I even liked the 4th version. The 5th one kind of ruined it for me. It is a good plot.
In the meantime, they need to stop making these movies. I wish 5th one is the last
one.

Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 11, 2008, 05:24:57 PM
im pretty sure the 5th one is the last one.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 12, 2008, 02:15:41 PM
I heard there was going to be a sixth one, but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 12, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
I heard there was going to be a sixth one, but I could be wrong.

Wow,it's going to beat Rocky,then! ;D
However,I hate all this kind of movies,too.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Rohan on November 12, 2008, 05:19:10 PM
I heard there was going to be a sixth one, but I could be wrong.

Wow,it's going to beat Rocky,then! ;D
However,I hate all this kind of movies,too.

I heard that they are going upto 8 versions. I hope 5th one is the last one.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 12, 2008, 08:18:22 PM
yeah i also herd there were going to be 8 ( a long time ago) but more recently i thought i heard 5 was going to be "the conclusion"
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 13, 2008, 01:06:25 PM
The last time I heard about there beinga 6th one was about a year ago, which is a while ago, especially in terms of movie business.  Marco, do you not watch the Saw films, or slasher films in general?
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 13, 2008, 03:17:10 PM
I hate slasher movies in general,I don't see the entertainment at all.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 14, 2008, 01:12:05 PM
Same with me, cool that I found someone else who doesn't watch those kinds of films either.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 14, 2008, 01:43:59 PM
But saw is not a slasher movie...
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 14, 2008, 03:02:29 PM
Well,I think it is a slasher movie.I don't know if it's the same thing,call them slasher movies,or splatter movies or whatever you want,but the point is that they all have iper-violent scenes to entertain (Saw,Hostel,I know they are different movies,but the main theme is the same).
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 15, 2008, 01:19:40 PM
Namaste, Saw is a slasher film, no way around it.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 15, 2008, 11:01:39 PM
Namaste, Saw is a slasher film, no way around it.

..and this coming from someone who has never seen it. Hostel is nothing like Saw, except that the two are graphic and gory.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 16, 2008, 07:57:00 AM
Namaste, Saw is a slasher film, no way around it.

..and this coming from someone who has never seen it. Hostel is nothing like Saw, except that the two are graphic and gory.

Ok,but the essential point of both of them is gore and slaughter.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 17, 2008, 01:41:01 AM
I wouldn't say the essential pointof saw is gore and slaughter...I would say it was "cherish your life"
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 17, 2008, 02:59:33 AM
Mmm...I don't know...I think that was used as a pretext to try to make another splatter movie with something different from the others of the same genre.
Don't misunderstand me: I recognise the originality,but it still remains a splatter movie to me.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 17, 2008, 01:46:47 PM
I know about the first Saw, many people have told me to watch it because of the story, just not the rest.  Namaste, I've seen clips and parts from the Saw movies, they're splatter movies, and I've done a lot of research on what's in them.  The Saw franchise is different from Hostel, somewhat, a little, I agree there. 
I wouldn't say the essential pointof saw is gore and slaughter...I would say it was "cherish your life"
Cherish your life as you watch people get mutilated and destroyed, and your supposed to enjoy the movie?  SOunds a little contradictory to me.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 17, 2008, 03:29:29 PM
yeah, because you havent seen it.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 18, 2008, 01:28:00 PM
I've seen enough of it, and read enough about it to know what I'm talking about.  How about all the quotes by the director and producers who said that they had to amp up the violence and gore in the movies just to keep people entertained, so the entertainment part obviously lies in the gore.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 18, 2008, 03:45:36 PM
hopefully someone who has seen the movies will post on this thread. They'll agree with me.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 19, 2008, 11:28:08 AM
Lol,I've seen Saw III completely,so I know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: steinmansbrain on November 19, 2008, 12:13:26 PM
Quite the discussion going on in here...

I am also not a fan of the whole 'gorno' (or 'splatter movie' if you prefer  ;)) thing and I doubt many people will see the 'cherish your life' idea that Namaste does. But I wouldn't doubt that an elightened one (and by that I mean Night fan) such as Namaste could take that from the film.

The majority of conversations I've heard regarding Saw or Hostel however are about the torture scenes and a persons enjoyment of them.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 19, 2008, 04:29:25 PM
That's what I'm talking about, the point is to get people into the movie with the gore, and that's all they talk about when they leave.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 19, 2008, 09:40:59 PM
well would u think it's fair to judge a shyamalan movie by the reasons average people decide to go see them, and then what they talk about afterward? I think not.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 20, 2008, 06:07:59 AM
I agree,it's not fair.But here is the difference,to me: in every Shyamalan movie there is a deep (true) meaning/story that overcomes the superficial (fake,if you want) one  (ex.: "Signs": aliens on the surface,faith in the deep meaning).In Saw I can't see this separation: you watch a trailer from Saw,you already know what to expect.The deep meaning you said before ("cherish your life") is very poor to me,considering the whole movie.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 20, 2008, 01:26:06 PM
How come Jigsaw doesn't let them cherish their life, so many people die throughout the movie, and so few escape.  If it's cherish your life then why do they have to keep upping the gore.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 20, 2008, 02:38:51 PM
How come Jigsaw doesn't let them cherish their life, so many people die throughout the movie, and so few escape.  If it's cherish your life then why do they have to keep upping the gore.

what do you mean "why doesnt jigsaw LET them cherish their life?" he MAKES them cherish their life..that's the whole point. Those who don't really cherish their life are the ones who die. He doesnt kill anyone..he just puts them in a position where they have to save their own life if it is really worth it to them.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 20, 2008, 04:30:51 PM
How come Jigsaw doesn't let them cherish their life, so many people die throughout the movie, and so few escape.  If it's cherish your life then why do they have to keep upping the gore.

what do you mean "why doesnt jigsaw LET them cherish their life?" he MAKES them cherish their life..that's the whole point. Those who don't really cherish their life are the ones who die. He doesnt kill anyone..he just puts them in a position where they have to save their own life if it is really worth it to them.


This is true for Saw and maybe Saw II (I have partially seen Saw and never seen Saw II),but not for Saw III,I'm sure.So my theory about the pretext to make another splatter movie become stronger ;D
Then if we consider that Saw IV starts with an autopsy... ::)
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 21, 2008, 01:24:42 PM
That opening scene was just sick, don't know why people enjoy that.  It's just a bit onf an oxy-moron when he want people to cherish life but he doesn't because he kills so many people throughout the films.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 21, 2008, 02:27:45 PM
Jigsaw never actually killed anyone. They all killed themselves.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 22, 2008, 01:09:44 PM
He set up the traps and everything for them to die in.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 22, 2008, 01:13:52 PM
yeah, but he was offereing them the chance to change their life. No one who survived was ever the same again. (that one girl went back to her vice, but she still valued her life more than she had in the beginning) it's a lot like that scene in fight club where they threaten to kill that convenience store clerk, so he sees the value of spending time with his family.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 22, 2008, 01:15:20 PM
However,in Saw III they had no escape.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 22, 2008, 01:16:54 PM
whenever there wasn't an escape, it wasnt jigsaw who did it.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 22, 2008, 01:19:57 PM
I don't mind the character,but the movie itself,that is structured like a slasher movie.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Namaste on November 22, 2008, 09:17:41 PM
ok you havbe a point there about the movie having slasher elements in it (some sadistic killers) but the main goal of the protagonist is not to murder.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: marco on November 23, 2008, 07:16:36 AM
Yeah,I think we've come to a conclusion  ;D
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 24, 2008, 01:09:09 PM
I can see what your saying Namaste and I dissagree with you about Jigsaw, but it is still a slasher movie, that's how it's classified.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: steinmansbrain on November 26, 2008, 05:54:24 PM
I wouldn't have called it a slasher...


Does everyone hate me now?  ;D


Lol well I suppose when it comes to genre classification it's pretty much the same as with music - as long as something displays elements of the genre then you can justify it.

I'm just saying I usually associate slasher with the killer actually chasing his victims and killing them by hand (with a knife rather) and generally less focused on physical torture. More pyschological.

But w/e I don't even watch horrors. Except for one of course ;D (oh that's 6th sense btw...just incase anyone was gonna' tell me 'The Village' was a horror or something. Everybody knows that's an action comedy ;))
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: shadowbender on December 22, 2008, 04:33:33 PM
I'm not attracted to slasher films either. I don't find it enjoyable.
Title: Re: Saw V
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on December 23, 2008, 01:40:42 PM
I don't think most people find it enjoyable, hence that type of film not doing well.