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Director and Composer => M. Night Shyamalan => Topic started by: trufan3 on February 16, 2009, 12:28:50 AM

Title: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: trufan3 on February 16, 2009, 12:28:50 AM
The reason I like M. Night Shyamalan's films is one simple thing that most other films don't have : ATMOSPHERE.

EVERY M. Night Shyamalan film has atmosphere, even Lady In The Water and The Happening. And to me, atmosphere is the MOST important thing about a film, especially if its supposed to be a suspense-thriller.

As far as I'm concerned, M. Night Shyamalan IS the atmosphere master.


Anyone agree or disagree?
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Erik on February 16, 2009, 11:28:45 AM
To me, Lady In The Water has even the strongest Night feeling, even though the story isn't actually that good (compared with his previous 4 movies). With The Happening I had no Night feeling at all...
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: steinmansbrain on February 17, 2009, 11:43:35 AM
To me, Lady In The Water has even the strongest Night feeling, even though the story isn't actually that good (compared with his previous 4 movies).

Yes man yeah exactly.

I didn't think 'Lady In The Water' was one of his best in terms of plot but it did have a lot of Night 'feeling' which meant for me it was still better than most other films.

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With The Happening I had no Night feeling at all...

Yeah me neither man I was hurt :'(
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Rohan on February 17, 2009, 05:05:42 PM
The reason I like M. Night Shyamalan's films is one simple thing that most other films don't have : ATMOSPHERE.

EVERY M. Night Shyamalan film has atmosphere, even Lady In The Water and The Happening. And to me, atmosphere is the MOST important thing about a film, especially if its supposed to be a suspense-thriller.

As far as I'm concerned, M. Night Shyamalan IS the atmosphere master.


Anyone agree or disagree?

I agree. That's why I adore his movies.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Namaste on February 17, 2009, 11:43:50 PM
The reason I like M. Night Shyamalan's films is one simple thing that most other films don't have : ATMOSPHERE.


yeah the reason you get great atmosphere is the long, slow shots. Maybe you can see more in those crazy 45 cut per minute action films, but you have no sense of actually being there because it is so un-natural. With shyamalan, however, you might as well be looking in through a window, or sitting in the middle of the scene. the natural camera movements and sound are meant to make you feel like the action is happening to you, and you are feeling the emotions of the characters.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 25, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
I agree completely with what everybody else has said.  Night is the master of atmosphere, now there are other reasons why I like his films, but his camera movement and lighting is amazing.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Prince111 on March 01, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
The reason I like M. Night Shyamalan's films is one simple thing that most other films don't have : ATMOSPHERE.


yeah the reason you get great atmosphere is the long, slow shots. Maybe you can see more in those crazy 45 cut per minute action films, but you have no sense of actually being there because it is so un-natural. With shyamalan, however, you might as well be looking in through a window, or sitting in the middle of the scene. the natural camera movements and sound are meant to make you feel like the action is happening to you, and you are feeling the emotions of the characters.

Well put
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Namaste on March 01, 2009, 11:36:09 PM
ty, im good at sounding like i know what im talking about  ;D  ( nah, i really have had a couple film classes, plus i absorb everything from everywhere ;x )
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 10, 2009, 01:20:16 PM
Lady In The Water was an amazing job by the cinematographer.  If I wasn't going to be a director, I would want to be a composer or cinematographer.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: dana on April 27, 2009, 11:38:17 PM
"Perfection is overrated."
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on April 28, 2009, 01:25:42 PM
Why do you say that?
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: dana on April 28, 2009, 04:34:56 PM
It's a quote I heard once.   
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: dana on May 02, 2009, 06:55:45 PM
"wabi sabi"
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Rohan on June 12, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
I am finally get the chance to share my part in regards to the atmosphere.

I have seen many movies old and new. The camera movement in Night movies are different. Specifically in LADY IN THE WATER - the slow camera movement from behind the branches or the shot of grass and sudden spraying of sprinklers.

The Village scene also amazes me and I feel that it is happening to me when camera shots are taken behind the bushes or tree barks.

One poster from THE VILLAGE is beautifully printed. It is shot from the CREATURES point of view of THE VILLAGE behind the branches.

And also,  a beautiful shot at the very beginning of THE VILLAGE. The Villagers standing at the funeral. It was shot from behind the villagers and in reality it is the audiences point of view also which makes us part of the villagers.

Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 18, 2009, 03:28:46 PM
Yeah, Rohan, I noticed that with the opening shot of The Village, so right from the start you're drawn in.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Imalshen on February 22, 2010, 01:47:15 AM
I just had a big discussion about this with one of my friends. I don't know, I feel his movies are all brilliant, but all different, and that's where the major problem is. Everyone wants him to make his movies the same ways and never let him evolve as an artist, but if you think about it, people would still be annoyed if he was just making "The 6th Sense" again and again, and call him out for doing the same thing. People just don't appreciate what they have when they have it, and we have a true genius here!

And for people who say to me they like his old movies, before he "changed", I say they're morons. Like I said, none of his movies are really the same. Yes, like you said, trufan3, they've got that atmosphere, but none of them have the same theme or story, or even genre, really. They're all slightly supernatural but that's about it. 6S was Thriller, Unbreakable: Superhero, Signs: Classic SciFi, Village: Love Story, LITW: Fairy Tale, The Happening: Satire*.

So if the only thing that's staying the same is the atmosphere, the feel of Shyamalan-ness, how can they really have "changed" at all? If you don't like storytelling, don't watch movies, because every movie Night makes has a different story and a different message. Simple as that.

And yet people still complain. I don't know what to do with them anymore.

*I say The Happening is satirical and it confuses people a lot, so I'm going to explain what I'm talking about. I think the reason people didn't catch this is because they don't teach satire enough in schools.

Satire, in case you haven't learned it yet, is a form of writing (or in this case filmmaking) where a serious issue of the generation (i.e. The Environment) is overlayed with an absurd and amusing story that higlights the issue itself. It's a very effective way to give a message because it amuses and shocks, getting the audience's attention and holding it until they think about what you say.

The perfect example is Swift's "A Modest Proposal." It's perfect example of satire (hence why we learn it in school). It's about eating babies to help with the poverty levels of the time. Horrifyingly hilarious, but about a serious issue.

Today our issue is protecting the environment. So Night makes a film with totally WTF twist-the plants are going to kill us. Really? Night himself said in an interview TH was meant as a B-Film. It's supposed to be absurd, laughable, but there's that underlying issue that our generation thinks a lot about: we really do have to do something about the environment before it's too late. We're only part of the big picture, and not necessarily the center.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 22, 2010, 07:25:47 PM
I agree with the statement about how each movie of Night's is a different genre.
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Imalshen on February 24, 2010, 06:26:33 PM
 :D It takes me ten paragraphs to explain what you say in one sentence. That's a writer for you. ;)
Title: Re: I Think Shyamalan Is Underrated, Especially Lately
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 02, 2010, 11:00:43 AM
Nah, it's cool, you elaborated on it a bit more then I did.  ;)