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Films => Lady in the Water => Topic started by: Azi on June 12, 2005, 07:39:43 PM

Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Azi on June 12, 2005, 07:39:43 PM
 Do you not see what our beloved Shyamalan has done?

For any of you that have read Life of Pi, you will see Shyamalan in it. The dialogue. The situations. The terror. The human element. The perfect movie just landed in the perfect director's lap and he tossed it aside. For what? A new interpretation of Tom Hanks' and Ron Howard's 1984 Splash? Do not get me wrong, Shyamalan is my favorite director, but this choice has made me question his reasoning. From his dismissal of Disney to his choice of Lady in the Water, this is the great Shyamalan at his worst.

>Azi
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: afi_village on June 13, 2005, 09:39:00 PM
 how can you say that.

we have no idea what this film is going to turn out as and there is definatly no way that we can be judging it as his worst yet.

sure it sounds kinda old, but i'm sure it will have the same human element that all of night's films have.  i have total faith that it will turn out to be amazing.

isn't it better for shyamalan to do a film that he feels 100% passionate about, then just something that he could pull off well?

pkk
 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Azi on June 19, 2005, 12:16:28 AM
 I just want him to get noticed, not pushed aside again. When I read Life of Pi I felt the "Shyamalan spirit". It was oscar-worthy. I just wonder what his reaction will be when someone else is successful with the story.

>Azi
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: afi_village on June 19, 2005, 07:36:18 AM
 i'm pretty sure i've already complained about award shows somewhere on here.  but i'll do it again.  

do you seriously care who wins oscars?  really i hate what they represent and the attention people give them.  the death of art has come through award shows.  and really, who cares who's won a week after they've been and gone?  i sure don't care.

maybe i'm just a freak who has a completly different view than everyone else, i don't know.  i shouldn't speak for everyone, so pretend i didn't.

god i hate award shows.

it will be interesting to see if the film is successful.  but i don't think m night shyamalan will care.  there was obviously a reason for him not doing it.

pkk
 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Azi on June 19, 2005, 09:23:50 AM
 I think that is just the opposite. Award shows are the only way to filter out the crap like Surviving Christmas from the genius of Million Dollar Baby. I want him to win something because people will go "Oh, I should go see that. Wait, did he make any other movies?" They will do that, because that's what I do.

>Azi
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: afi_village on June 19, 2005, 09:18:11 PM
 i don't do that.

i think award shows are just a popularity contest that takes no artistic credits into account.  art shouldn't be judged and there shouldn't be a winner.  it's award shows that make people stop seeing film as art.

i think everyone has heard of the sixth sense, so it won't be like people uncovering a masterpiece that was never appreciated.  i think most people have heard of his films.

pkk
 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Azi on June 19, 2005, 09:44:46 PM
 The thing is, you are already at his website, you have a skewed point of view.

The only crap at the Oscars is the best song, which is just a show of popularity. Otherwise, it allows the good to be separated from the bad. I didn't want to watch the Aviator until it won the golden globe for best drama. Well, the end.

>Azi
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Dita on November 04, 2005, 08:03:34 PM
Hello everyone.
I just joined this forum, but I've been a huge fan of M's for years.

I have to agree with afi_village on award shows. They are fixed by the industry who try to feed the same **** to the public. Many films that get nominated I either hate, or was bored out of my mind watching, but "it's the best film of the year". I don't let no award show or critic tell me what I should consider an amazing movie.

The same goes for the Grammys and other music award shows. So many bull#@!* "artists" get nominated and they are just worthless. They can't even carry a tune, but since they are little sex kittens they sell millions and millions of records. Real ARTISTS, who SHOULD be getting promotion and recognition that they actually deserve it don't get anything for their craft. If they don't fit in a box, record companies have NO clue how to promote them.

M. has his following, and he doesn't need any awards to proove that he's a great director with a vision.

Anyways, that is my own 2 cents.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: SuperKC on November 21, 2005, 02:37:14 PM
 Considering Shyamalan's track record of creating beautiful, thought-provoking, quality films I don't think that chosing to make a film with his own originial story can be considered a "mistake." I have no idea what his reasons were for chosing not to make Life of Pi, but if it was a case of chosing one over the other, I can understand why he would want to make his own story instead of someone else's. No mather how fantastic and "perfect" it might be.

Also, if you're worried about Life of Pi's adaptation being put into the wrong hands, I hear it's being directed by Jean-Pierre Jeunet, who directed Amelie. Aside from Shyamalan, I don't know if you can find a pair of hands better suited for Life of Pi then Jeunet.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Azi on November 21, 2005, 04:41:03 PM
 After that teaser in HP, do you see where I'm coming from? I have never seen worse marketing for a movie. I'm not doubting his skills, i'm doubting his career choices. An Oscar opens up a million opportunities, a "bedtime story" leaves fany wondering WTF?

Jeunet is a good director; I have no doubt that he will shoot a beautiful film. How couldn't you with such an amazing story?

>Azi
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: afi_village on November 23, 2005, 04:20:01 AM
 i totally disagree with what you are saying about this bedtime story marketing.

it's a perfect juxtaposition and it sets a really creepy mood for the film.

an oscar may open up a million opportunities but only selfish people need that many.  you are forgeting that film is art, not just a job and if m night did not feel that his artistic values were being carried out with life of pie than he already has a fine career without it.  he doesn't need to do films to get awards and  open up opportunities, he obviously already has everything he needs to make his art.

 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: unlimited6 on November 23, 2005, 11:07:38 AM
 nicely said afi,good job.pls keep the good posts coming,an no awards arent everything,i agree.however an oscar probably would be great for this director.at some point in time,anyways happy thanksgiving everyone who posts on the site sorry as usual i cant spell but im in ahurry,as usual.lol.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: gonch on November 23, 2005, 02:35:31 PM
QUOTE (afi_village @ Nov 23 2005, 04:20 AM)
i totally disagree with what you are saying about this bedtime story marketing.

it's a perfect juxtaposition and it sets a really creepy mood for the film.

an oscar may open up a million opportunities but only selfish people need that many.  you are forgeting that film is art, not just a job and if m night did not feel that his artistic values were being carried out with life of pie than he already has a fine career without it.  he doesn't need to do films to get awards and  open up opportunities, he obviously already has everything he needs to make his art. [/quote]
 Exactly. From what  we've seen from Shyamalan so far, from what we've heard of him... it seems that he doesn't really care about Oscars. He doesn't really like the whole Hollywood industry that much. He just wants to make some great movies. And so far he has accomplished his goal.

And "a bedtime story by M. Night Shyamalan" is one of the best taglines ever. Because we know what type of movies he makes. And we know what type of "bedtime story" he'll make...
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on November 23, 2005, 11:09:45 PM
 I agree.
I don't know if I can even add to that. Shyamalan wanted to make "Lady..." over "Pi" for whatever reason, I'm sure it was a reason.
Night once said:
"if someone says  'you're a genius' or 'you suck' or 'you're over-rated' , which happens literally as I walk to the supermarket, I will get 'you're a genus!', 'you suck!' .... and you can't believe either of them"

I think Night wants to do his own thing, whether or not it will get him an oscar or not.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Dr.Hill42 on December 18, 2005, 11:01:42 PM
 I really don't consider this a bad on Night's part. I would rather have him doing something he wanted to do. This is obviously it. An of course I want him to be well recognized, but does he really seem the type that would want world fame? To me he seems more of a shaddy character, I mean...none of us really know what he's like. We know what his movies are like. And all though not everybody feels the same way we do, we feel that way, and we know what we're talking about. He makes cinematically beautiful, thought provoking films with some of the greatest stories we know. The kind of stories that will stick with us forever, he is truley a great story teller, so let him tell them...his way.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Helstrom on December 19, 2005, 09:30:21 PM
QUOTE (Dr.Hill42 @ Dec 18 2005, 11:01 PM)
I really don't consider this a bad on Night's part. I would rather have him doing something he wanted to do. [/quote]
 I agree with Dr.Hill42.  Forgive me for saying so, but I personally would rather see Lady In The Water than Life Of Pi.  But that's just me.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Dr.Hill42 on December 26, 2005, 12:12:42 AM
 Ya who wants to see a heartless film? I can't wait to see what he has in store for us this time.  :D

 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: dab on February 24, 2006, 06:04:08 PM
 While I do feel that awards shows have their place, I feel that all too often that place is somewhere shallow that I don't think I want to spend my time.  Case in point - a few short years ago, we saw a face off for best actor (at the Oscars) between Gladiator's Russell Crowe and Tom Hanks in Cast Away.  Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Gladiator on a level of relatively mindless entertainment, but for Tom Hanks to carry an entire movie, virtually alone, and make us feel along with him.... that's talent.  I was acutely disappointed to see real art lose to what was comparatively Hollywood drivel.  This is an example that proves conclusively that the Oscars to not provide a barometer by which Shayamalan deserves to be measured.  He has proven over and over that he isn't terribly concerned about the popularity contest which defines the Hollywood machine.  Numbers don't lie -- Hollywood "critics" panned The Village, while Shayamalan fans flocked to the theatres in droves and made it one of the most successful movies of that year!!!  I can't speak for Mr. Shayamalan, but from his past behavior, I think I can guess that the accolades and support of his enormous fan base will mean more to him than an establishment that historically and repetitively supports and promotes imagination-starved mush.  I 100% agree that Shayamalan should be recognized.  However I also whole heartedly believe that he IS recognized by the people who matter the most to him - the fans who support his work and pay to see it!!!!

I think that most of his fans will agree that we can trust his judgement - after all, his talent and ability as a storyteller (of any story he feels needs to be told) is what has drawn us to him in the first place!  Why should we presume to tell him how to do a job that he's already proven he is more than capable of doing (more effectively than most of us could, I'd wager)?  I don't think second guessing or derision is warranted here.  The man has proved how fantastic he is. I, for one, await Lady in the Water with breathless anticipation!!
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: werebearxxx on February 25, 2006, 03:14:10 AM
 A-MEN!!!!!!!
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: stevenbubba on April 27, 2006, 11:04:24 PM
 Brand new Night fan here. Signs is my personal favorite film of all time. And reading the postings on this site I realize there are people that get his films! The films have so much more depth than many viewers can see, and are more about the charachters and people than twist endings...Plus I really dig the style of these films. Basic, artful camera angles and subtle but engaging scoring, etc...

Anyway, on this topic, I agree that the oscars are self promoting, boring, and irrelevant.

I don't care if he ever gets an Oscar as long as he keeps doing his choice of stories and directing the films his way. Sure he ain't perfect but every film so far has been fascinating to me and my wife agrees! Will there be a one that doesn't live up, likely, but I haven't seen one yet. Cant wait for LITW.

Thanks for reading.
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: unlimited6 on May 01, 2006, 10:19:20 AM
 yeah the oscars are kinda over rated these days. i hate seeing people win that dont deserve em.lol. anyways, yes i am also hoping lady will be a great movie. been too bristol actually not a bad town over there...been too some of the other towns there round philly too,all nice and quiet,anyways happy posting everyone...peace...
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: turke on June 17, 2006, 08:52:00 AM
 Why do you care about Oscars, if Shyamalan himself doesn't care about it. Are you his supervisors or what ? And before seeing the movies, how can you make such comments on the fan forum of Shyamalan. How could you understand it is a remake without seeing the movie ?
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: Dnlle on June 24, 2006, 04:00:12 PM
 Lady in The Water is obviously one of his most personal films. I mean it's based off of a story he told his kids. I greatly admire the fact that he isn't selling himself to hollywood by choosing some movie that's 'oscar worthy' over something he personally feels stronger towards. You don't see that a lot.

The Oscars are way over rated. and I don't think M. Night will ever win one unless he does a complete 180 in themes. I hate to be the one to bring this over used comparison, but Hitchcock never won an oscar...and it's freakin' Alfred Hitchcock!

 
Title: Shyamalan's Biggest Mistake Yet...
Post by: TheColorRed on June 30, 2006, 11:34:08 PM
 I just wanted to say I don't think the plot is tired or old. I mean people compare it splash etc. But splash wasn't a bedtime story or had a portal, evil creature etc. When I saw the trailer I was like hmm...kinda like a breath of fresh air when I heard the plot. Kinda the same feeling I got when I read about Edward Scissorhands. I think it's original...