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Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Blessed Day on September 09, 2006, 05:01:03 PM
I know that M. Night's movies have a lot of symbolism in them (ie. red symbolizes evil and water weakness) but what's with the rocking chair that randomely pops up in shots throughout the Village.  Does anyone know what that symbolizes?
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Rohan on September 13, 2006, 02:41:38 AM
That's an great point that you have brought here and in fact it does symbolize something in the film. As far as my opinion concerns and as an script writer myself I can say this by M.Night's vision that that ROCKING CHAIR means "US" we the people who are watching THE WOODS along with villagers. And why that ROCKING CHAIR is empty? It means it US, I guess.

Another reason of ROCKING CHAIR is empty because "NOAH" might be sitting watching or probably somehow M.NIGHT himself. I am telling all this from my opinion as far as I am thinking, I write script myself and I usually try to match up things.

I love the first part of THE VILLAGE, at the very beginning we see a man on the grave and a another camera shot of the VILLAGERS from their back heads watching the WOODS...  which means that we are also watching the WOODS along with those villagers standing. You know  what I mean?

-Rohan
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: afi_village on September 16, 2006, 11:39:07 PM
i was thinking about this a lot last time i watched this film.  at one point Ivy's sitting in the chair and her dad tells her that he was sitting there when he found out that ivy was going blind...so for this reason and more that i just can't be stuffed to say i think that the chair symbolizes strength in hard times.  like a strength of spirit and uniting together in hard times sort of vibe, which is a theme running through the entire film.
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Rohan on September 17, 2006, 02:45:20 PM
Quote from: "afi_village"
i was thinking about this a lot last time i watched this film.  at one point Ivy's sitting in the chair and her dad tells her that he was sitting there when he found out that ivy was going blind...so for this reason and more that i just can't be stuffed to say i think that the chair symbolizes strength in hard times.  like a strength of spirit and uniting together in hard times sort of vibe, which is a theme running through the entire film.


That's a good point too. STRENGHT.
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: afi_village on September 18, 2006, 03:38:28 AM
thankyou!
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Indyslf on September 18, 2006, 01:45:48 PM
Quote from: "Rohan"
That's an great point that you have brought here and in fact it does symbolize something in the film. As far as my opinion concerns and as an script writer myself I can say this by M.Night's vision that that ROCKING CHAIR means "US" we the people who are watching THE WOODS along with villagers. And why that ROCKING CHAIR is empty? It means it US, I guess.

Another reason of ROCKING CHAIR is empty because "NOAH" might be sitting watching or probably somehow M.NIGHT himself. I am telling all this from my opinion as far as I am thinking, I write script myself and I usually try to match up things.
-Rohan


Or it could mean someone is off their rocker. (I'm not pointing any fingers, of course. :) Wouldn't want to poke myself in the eye... :wink:)
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Rohan on September 18, 2006, 05:43:53 PM
Quote from: "Indyslf"
Quote from: "Rohan"
That's an great point that you have brought here and in fact it does symbolize something in the film. As far as my opinion concerns and as an script writer myself I can say this by M.Night's vision that that ROCKING CHAIR means "US" we the people who are watching THE WOODS along with villagers. And why that ROCKING CHAIR is empty? It means it US, I guess.

Another reason of ROCKING CHAIR is empty because "NOAH" might be sitting watching or probably somehow M.NIGHT himself. I am telling all this from my opinion as far as I am thinking, I write script myself and I usually try to match up things.
-Rohan


Or it could mean someone is off their rocker. (I'm not pointing any fingers, of course. :) Wouldn't want to poke myself in the eye... :wink:)


What you mean? I didn't get your point of view, sorry about that.

-Rohan
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Indyslf on September 18, 2006, 11:02:26 PM
Quote from: "Rohan"
Quote from: "Indyslf"
Quote from: "Rohan"
That's an great point that you have brought here and in fact it does symbolize something in the film. As far as my opinion concerns and as an script writer myself I can say this by M.Night's vision that that ROCKING CHAIR means "US" we the people who are watching THE WOODS along with villagers. And why that ROCKING CHAIR is empty? It means it US, I guess.

Another reason of ROCKING CHAIR is empty because "NOAH" might be sitting watching or probably somehow M.NIGHT himself. I am telling all this from my opinion as far as I am thinking, I write script myself and I usually try to match up things.
-Rohan


Or it could mean someone is off their rocker. (I'm not pointing any fingers, of course. :) Wouldn't want to poke myself in the eye... :wink:)


What you mean? I didn't get your point of view, sorry about that.

-Rohan



Oops. Sorry. It was supposed to be a self-deprecating joke. :oops: I was simply pointing out the play on words--you know, an empty rocking chair, being 'off one's rocker' in terms of sanity, etc. .... That's what I get for trying to be clever.  :)  ...Actually, I had had a discussion with someone on another MNS web site about the monster in the woods being a symbol for the things humans do to protect their sanity in a violent world. (Kinda hard to explain, but I'm sure it was a brilliant discussion.:)) So I was thinking along the lines of the empty rocking chair being a metaphor for losing one's mind. For instance, Ivy would've had a really slippery grip on reality if she had not been blind and had been able to see the guard house, without having a proper context for it. ... Sorry if I was confusing. I'm getting my conversations on different chat boards mixed up, I think. (It's hell getting old.:))
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Rohan on September 19, 2006, 01:44:54 AM
Quote from: "Indyslf"
Quote from: "Rohan"
Quote from: "Indyslf"
Quote from: "Rohan"
That's an great point that you have brought here and in fact it does symbolize something in the film. As far as my opinion concerns and as an script writer myself I can say this by M.Night's vision that that ROCKING CHAIR means "US" we the people who are watching THE WOODS along with villagers. And why that ROCKING CHAIR is empty? It means it US, I guess.

Another reason of ROCKING CHAIR is empty because "NOAH" might be sitting watching or probably somehow M.NIGHT himself. I am telling all this from my opinion as far as I am thinking, I write script myself and I usually try to match up things.
-Rohan


Or it could mean someone is off their rocker. (I'm not pointing any fingers, of course. :) Wouldn't want to poke myself in the eye... :wink:)


What you mean? I didn't get your point of view, sorry about that.

-Rohan



Oops. Sorry. It was supposed to be a self-deprecating joke. :oops: I was simply pointing out the play on words--you know, an empty rocking chair, being 'off one's rocker' in terms of sanity, etc. .... That's what I get for trying to be clever.  :)  ...Actually, I had had a discussion with someone on another MNS web site about the monster in the woods being a symbol for the things humans do to protect their sanity in a violent world. (Kinda hard to explain, but I'm sure it was a brilliant discussion.:)) So I was thinking along the lines of the empty rocking chair being a metaphor for losing one's mind. For instance, Ivy would've had a really slippery grip on reality if she had not been blind and had been able to see the guard house, without having a proper context for it. ... Sorry if I was confusing. I'm getting my conversations on different chat boards mixed up, I think. (It's hell getting old.:))


Well, that explained it buddy. It's alright. Well the question to ROCKING CHAIR, what is it stands for in the movie isn't yet cleared. Anyone else would like to jump in and say some piece of their mind regarding the meaning of ROCKING chair in THE VILLAGE?

-Rohan
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on October 17, 2006, 02:12:46 PM
I've got a theory about that.It may be a little strange,but I like thinking so.I don't know if I'll be able to explain it well.However,let's try.
When you are sitting on a rocking chair you are moving,right?But you are going nowhere,because while moving up and down you're still there in the same place.In my opinion the villagers,sometimes,would like to go away from the village,to escape for a moment,especially in sad or bad circumstances,maybe just to think about it (see Ivy's father),or because they are afraid of something (see Noah,after having wondered Lucius).I think it's difficult for human being to remain always in the same little place...
This is my personal opinion,there can be a thousand others,at least :wink:
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Rohan on October 17, 2006, 07:48:36 PM
Quote from: "marco"
I've got a theory about that.It may be a little strange,but I like thinking so.I don't know if I'll be able to explain it well.However,let's try.
When you are sitting on a rocking chair you are moving,right?But you are going nowhere,because while moving up and down you're still there in the same place.In my opinion the villagers,sometimes,would like to go away from the village,to escape for a moment,especially in sad or bad circumstances,maybe just to think about it (see Ivy's father),or because they are afraid of something (see Noah,after having wondered Lucius).I think it's difficult for human being to remain always in the same little place...
This is my personal opinion,there can be a thousand others,at least :wink:


LOL, your make sense as well. Good job.
Never thought about it.

-Rohan
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: on December 16, 2006, 08:56:13 PM
I'd always wondered about this as well... good points.

Indyslf, I thought you were talking about Noah when you mentioned someone being off their rocker.  :P
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: afi_village on January 04, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
i really got this idea from marco, with the chair is moving thing...

it represents a change in your life with which you are forced to move forward despite your desires to stay in one point.  maybe because in that moment of your life you feel safe and happy, and you know when your life shifts it will most likely be for the worst.  

i don't usually write down stuff when i think i'm over analysing, but just then i did...

but i totally agree with the escapism thing, makes much more sense than what i just said!
Title: The Rocking Chair
Post by: werebearxxx on February 05, 2007, 01:52:16 AM
i just think that the rocker was a reminder to mr. walker that hard times happen even when they ran from a place where they all had hard times..
Title: Rocking Chair= Strength
Post by: filmguy450 on March 20, 2007, 10:23:39 PM
I agree with the idea of it being strength, but it's the strength to move on with your life (as some of you were just saying) from some sort of event ( blind daughter, death of a loved one). When it's empty i believe it's because all the villagers feel that they are safe and strong enough to do what they must (even if they really aren't).
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: thehealer on October 06, 2007, 01:08:08 AM
 I think its a foreshadowing of what is to come with noah and the those we do not speak of conflict...one of the first times we see the empty chair and one of the longest shots of it is when noah almost has to go to the quiet room...it foeshadows that eventually he will still have to serve his punishment...right after wounding lucius hes seen in the rocking chair...the rocking chairs are also the same as what the elders sit in...as if noah is trying to be one of them through being one of those we dont speak of...and by taking their role in punishing lucius for taking ivy from him.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on October 06, 2007, 03:58:29 PM
My brother and I were talking about it, and we think it symbolizes emptiness, or sadness.  Mr. Walker is sitting in a rocking chair when he finds out about Ivy's blindness, Noah is sitting in one after stabbing Lucius, before Ivy leaves there is a long shot of a rocking chair in the mist, August Nicholson spends most of the time in a rocking chair, he is one of the elders who has been his the hardest by family deaths, and at the end of the movie Noah mother is sitting in a rocking chair when she hears about Noah dying.  Just a thought. 
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: srkbeno.1 on June 16, 2008, 03:33:29 PM
can anybody explain why IVY's father shows her the monster costume.. then when she is in the woods she is scared of it as if she knows nothing about its non existance
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: okokokok on June 16, 2008, 04:05:48 PM
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can anybody explain why IVY's father shows her the monster costume.. then when she is in the woods she is scared of it as if she knows nothing about its non existance

Because at that point she knows that the "monsters" are just the elders dressed up.  She is not expecting to run into any of the elders/monsters as they are the ones who have sent her to get medicine.  So when she does run into something, she thinks it might be a real threat.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: srkbeno.1 on June 17, 2008, 04:41:43 AM
hmm i was under the impression that she knew that the person in the costume was noah.. and she hated Noa for what he did to Lucious.. so she made him fall down the pitt..
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: okokokok on June 17, 2008, 12:56:59 PM
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hmm i was under the impression that she knew that the person in the costume was noah.. and she hated Noa for what he did to Lucious.. so she made him fall down the pitt..

So why is she scared?  Maybe I misunderstood that part.  She tried to kill Noah then?
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Unbroken on June 17, 2008, 08:45:45 PM
She didn't know it was Noah. If she had known, she would have talked to him.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on June 18, 2008, 12:17:00 AM
The Village is my second fav movie of all time..ive seen it a lot of times. I had never thought about the rocking chair but i hold in my head many scenes from the film: especially about walker hearing about his daughter and noah in the "bad color" scene. Might I suggest that perhaps it symbolizes comfort? Or the things we look for when we don't know where to turn. (like the very idea of the village itself) or am i reading too much into things? (haha..like anyone could read too much into shyamalan)


"the world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe."
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on June 18, 2008, 12:20:55 AM
come on, people. she's scared of the monster because of the flashback we see where her father says "there were rumors that such creatures did inhabit these woods" or something to that effect.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on July 16, 2008, 11:46:21 PM
My brother and I were talking about it, and we think it symbolizes emptiness, or sadness.  Mr. Walker is sitting in a rocking chair when he finds out about Ivy's blindness, Noah is sitting in one after stabbing Lucius, before Ivy leaves there is a long shot of a rocking chair in the mist, August Nicholson spends most of the time in a rocking chair, he is one of the elders who has been his the hardest by family deaths, and at the end of the movie Noah mother is sitting in a rocking chair when she hears about Noah dying.  Just a thought. 


    ok, i just watched the film again with all the deleted scenes and bonus features and everything. And I read these comments all over again too. I think I've got it now...listen to this: The rocking chair symbolizes shame and giving up.
    Now here is my reasoning: Whenever we see someone (or hear about them) in a rocking chair, they are either ashamed or broken. (i especially point to Walker who admits that he was "so ashamed" when he heard his daughter's vision had finally failed her, and Noah who sits in the rocking chair and just waits in shame for his consequences) Also Noah's mother is sitting ashamed in the chair after finding out that her son is not only an attempted murderer, but also the person who has been killing the livestock. Ivy sits in the chair when she has no idea what she's going to do because "if he dies, all that is left to me will die with him"..August embodies both feelings when he is always in his rocker feeling ashamed that he did not do anything to save his son, and giving up on his hopes for peace.
     On the other hand we see EMPTY rocking chairs when the characters are discussing action and standing up (btw in "Bryce's Diary" she talks about standing up and facing life while scenes of empty rocking chairs are flashed in the background). For example, the chair in the background when lucius talks with his mother about Mr. Walker's fear of touching her...the famous porch scene..when the villagers "go together" to face TWDSO...and the one in the field just before the scene where Walker finally switches into action mode after Lucius is attacked and decides to encourage Ivy to go to the towns.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erin on July 19, 2008, 10:58:38 AM
I've an idea about the meaning of the rocking chair. It's just an idea. We can note the chair is just in front the house and between the house in the village , a world of innocence and the forest representing a kind of new world, a world of violence. This position makes me think about two points :
- the rocking chair building with woods is just in front the house to show there are some things coming from the forest into the village ( the ancients)
- the rocking chair seems to look at the forest : it can represent the folk stories that ancients tell to children and  perpetuate the legend : there are monsters in this forest . But as I've just say; the rocking chair  seems to look at the forest, like it was taking its inspiration from the forest and cultivate the legend.
This is the reason why I think the rocking chair can represent the ancients and their secret.
- The, there is one scene, where you see the house, the rocking chair, Ivy and Lucius and the forest in this order. Ivy and Lucius seem to be just in the middle of two strenghts : the new world and its cruelty, and the village representing the innocence, the easiness, the love.
But Ivy will come in the forest by love, so it can link the village to the rest of the world.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on July 20, 2008, 06:37:58 PM
Thats an intresting idea, about the chair representig the elders and their stories..But I think that can be carried farther into representing secrets and fears and STANDING UP to them.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erin on July 21, 2008, 09:33:03 AM
for me secrets are already represented by the black boxes so this is the reason why I think the rocking chairs are what I've said .
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 03, 2009, 12:27:11 PM
wow.  I was just reading what filmguy450 wrote.  I remember the character Danny Glover played in or from the movie "Places in the Heart."  He said it was bad luck to rock a rocking chair with nobody in it.  That, or he was mostly trying to "make" the boy understand something deeper.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erik on May 03, 2009, 05:11:23 PM
dana, would you mind not posting in topics where no one has posted for ages?
Thank you!
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 03, 2009, 06:51:48 PM
yes sir.  I'll try sir.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erik on May 04, 2009, 05:26:05 AM
Thank you! :)

btw, your reaction sounds a bit sarcastic. No hard feelings?
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 04, 2009, 11:03:26 AM
nope.  play away.  there are no guitars here.  only frying pans. (that's me smiling)

I was just thinking if we were to talk about something other than guitars and rocking chairs, well, I guess that means that we shouldn't discuss differeing opions over the pizza in or from St. Louis.

I like to rock, but I've already been shot.

Thank you.  (that's me smiling again.)
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erik on May 04, 2009, 12:12:28 PM
Alright, I lost you...
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 04, 2009, 12:15:48 PM
dana, would you mind not posting in topics where no one has posted for ages?
Thank you!
psh..why do you have a problem with it? the only thing people have been posting in lately are those worthless games, which are only interesting when there's no real discussions going on. (btw, I'm listening to Gravel Road right now)
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Erik on May 04, 2009, 01:11:46 PM
It's not a big problem, I just find it quite anoying. It can happen, sometimes it someone really has something to contribute to the discussion, but if not, I just find it very anoying.

Am I the only one who thinks this way? If so, I'll shut up next time :)
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 04, 2009, 01:20:51 PM
I hope so ;x
I think if she posts on it (even if it isnt very relevant) it's probably because she found the thread interesting. and it's good to see interesting threads again. (I've already read everything on the forums btw, except about movies i havent seen like TLAB and pre-6th sense)
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 06, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
I think everything is important.  special.  I believe.  sometimes I do not have the words.  frustration is a part of learning.  contentment.  Story inside the bubble.  so safe.  Story outside the bubble.  so vulnerable.  Story young.  Story old.  His degree does not make him my doctor.  and yet, even though I cannot find the words, I believe.  trust.  this, too or also, must surely be related to a healing.  a deeper healing.  Love for others.  enough to
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 07, 2009, 12:59:11 AM
Dana, do you see signs? lol..wrong topic i think ;x

And you're right..shyamalan takes risks withhis stories because they are truly novel...but all good stories are set in ancient truth. There is nothing new under the sun. People fear the unfamiliar and people hate what they fear.

And are you talking about faith healing? Could telling someone they will be alright actually make it so if you could only inspire them to believe you unquestioningly? more than they believe their own senses...their logic...their preconceived notions? If everything you know is that "wicked people live outside the village" will it convert you to evil for venturing into the woods?
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 07, 2009, 12:38:05 PM
I believe that when you reach a safe place.  a safe person.  I believe that you feel so safe enough that you may allow that person entrance to see your soul.  it's kind of like saying, "I'm ready if you're ready."
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 07, 2009, 12:39:50 PM
Then that person or that place says, "I love you and I am incabale of seeing you as anything other than who you really are."
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 07, 2009, 12:41:56 PM
that's what perfect is all about.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 07, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
so you turn around and tell the rocking chair.  "thanks for holding me and making me feel so much better.  because now I feel way down deep inside that it's okay to be flawed and now I feel like I have a hope that (just brings you closer inside) and now I may begin to heal."  like be quiet.  rest.  get better soon.  and then the rocking chair says, "Wow.  I never knew how strong I was."  and then you remember to be polite and allow someone else to sit there(here).  (even though you really never want to get back up like ever ever again)  but that is a deep part of what working and coffee are all about.  just because you cannot see the hand.  it doesn't mean the hand is not there. 
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 08, 2009, 12:27:05 AM
Then that person or that place says, "I love you and I am incabale of seeing you as anything other than who you really are."

Yeah, but who can really see anyone for who they really are? Love is about rejoicing in the fact that someone outside ourself lives and feels and experiences otherwise than we do.

Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 08, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
The man bent over his guitar,
A shearsman of sorts.  The day was green.

They said "You have a blue guitar,
You do not play things as they are."

The man replied, "Things as they are
Are changed upon the blue guitar."

            ---Wallace Stevens
                The Man with the Blue Guitar (1937)
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 11, 2009, 10:21:41 PM
"Well I'm gonna paint my picture.
Paint myself in blue red and black and gray.
All of those beautiful colors are very very meaningful.
Yeah well you know gray is my favorite color.
I felt so symbolic yesterday.
If I knew [the song] Piccaso, I'd buy myself a gray guitar and play."

         --Counting Crows
            "Mr. Jones"
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Dr Malcolm Crowe on May 14, 2009, 10:22:03 PM
let's bring this back on topic... and stay there. please.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on May 14, 2009, 10:29:12 PM
Hey, I'm just trying to figure out what the heck dana is talking about ;x
Anyway, I think the rocking chair is about retreat, but the rocking chair goes both ways. Sometimes you have to retreat for a little while, and that's not bad as long as you eventually always get up and continue on with your life.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: dana on May 16, 2009, 12:51:46 PM
Yes.  Dr. Crowe reminds me of a peacemaker.  Not an easy task at that.

the rocking and the rocking.  The hand that reaches out and stops.

Namaste feels like karate.  Good karate.  Reminds me of a friend I haven't seen in a long time.  Tricked me once into taking karate at like way to early.  Good friends make room for sparring.  joining the body with the soul.  something like that.  sometimes practice feels like dancing. 

uh oh, here comes Lassie. 

Thank you Lassie.


"O body swayed to music, O brightening glance,
How can we know the dancer from the dance?"

                         -W. B. Yeats, from "Among School Children"


from the corner she watches herself. 

Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on June 22, 2009, 03:49:56 PM
what are your posts supposed to mean?
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: jrj073000 on August 25, 2009, 12:06:03 AM
He definitely loves to play with symbolism in all his movies. There's even symbolism in his commercial.

http://adwido.com/view_content?vkey=3cd6ba0e2cf748962746523922ce39b3
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 03, 2009, 05:27:49 PM
It's one of the ways he gets people thinking about them after they've left the theater.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on November 29, 2009, 01:51:02 PM
I think it's more than this.Symbolism is the best way to show emotions and feelings in a movie.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 05, 2010, 04:22:12 PM
Sometimes, but it doesn't get always get the point across and can be misinterpreted.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on January 09, 2010, 12:16:47 PM
But,in most of the times,I prefer images to dialogue for showing emotions.That's what I meant.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on January 13, 2010, 03:38:28 PM
Oh, okay, now I get you, that makes sense.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on February 19, 2010, 09:58:49 PM
I think it's more than this.Symbolism is the best way to show emotions and feelings in a movie.

Symbolism is the ONLY way to convey emotion. That's why art exists.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on February 22, 2010, 07:35:22 PM
What about just showing the emotion without symbolism.  That can be done, and still be good art.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on February 23, 2010, 07:18:31 AM
I think it's more than this.Symbolism is the best way to show emotions and feelings in a movie.

Symbolism is the ONLY way to convey emotion. That's why art exists.

Why?What about dialogue,for example?It's still a way to express feelings,isn't it?
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 02, 2010, 10:37:39 AM
Yes, and the way the characters interact.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Namaste on March 25, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
Dialogue can TELL you what they are feeling, and facial expressions can SHOW you what they are feeling, but only through the abstract can you FEEL what they are feeling. Emotion is something you can only TRULY experience from the inside. Art is that which triggers within the OBSERVER what the artist wanted to convey.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on March 26, 2010, 08:03:27 AM
And that is often done through character interaction and dialogue.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on April 06, 2010, 08:53:16 AM
Dialogue can TELL you what they are feeling, and facial expressions can SHOW you what they are feeling, but only through the abstract can you FEEL what they are feeling. Emotion is something you can only TRULY experience from the inside. Art is that which triggers within the OBSERVER what the artist wanted to convey.

Ok,that's right,but dialogue itself may contain symbolism as well: for example,if someone,while speaking,uses a metaphor,or a simile...this can be a good way to convey feelings to the viewer/reader.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: Mr_Glass.1 on November 13, 2010, 03:38:40 PM
That's a good point.  Almost like an image within an image.
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Post by: Namaste on August 11, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
I think it's more than this.Symbolism is the best way to show emotions and feelings in a movie.

Symbolism is the ONLY way to convey emotion. That's why art exists.

Why?What about dialogue,for example?It's still a way to express feelings,isn't it?

Marco, if I tell you I am angry, do you feel it? Have I really conveyed the emotion or have I just told you about it? What if I don't know what the word "angry" means? Also, dialogue can be art if it really gets you to feel what the author intended.
Title: Re: The Rocking Chair
Post by: marco on October 24, 2015, 09:06:46 AM
I think it's more than this.Symbolism is the best way to show emotions and feelings in a movie.

Symbolism is the ONLY way to convey emotion. That's why art exists.

Why?What about dialogue,for example?It's still a way to express feelings,isn't it?

Marco, if I tell you I am angry, do you feel it? Have I really conveyed the emotion or have I just told you about it? What if I don't know what the word "angry" means? Also, dialogue can be art if it really gets you to feel what the author intended.

Wow, it's been a while, isn't it?   :D
However, I get your point and I totally agree with you, especially the last thing you said, that is almost what I said some time ago in a previous post: the author can express feelings and convey them to the reader/watcher through the right use of figures of speech. Of course, he has to be a talented one, because that is not an easy job, but it is possible for a good writer/storyteller. Otherwise, why we're supposed to read a book?