Is the film a trick?


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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2008, 08:52:17 AM »
This is  exactly what I thought. Maybe the boy knows Malcolm is a ghost cos in one of his last scenes he said to him : say good bye each other, like if you're gonna visit me the next day. Maybe he knows he won't see him anymore.

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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2008, 04:42:52 PM »
hidding his wound ( is it the right word or is it injury) ?
Yes it is, an injury is more like a constant pain, mostley caused by sports.

Look at the scene where Cole meets Malcome for the first time. Look at Coles reaction. If you look closely, you can see that he realises that it's too late to hide for this ghost. And because Malcome isn't angry at Cole, he isn't scared at the end of the conversation.
But if you notice it, you can see that Cole is scared in the first seconds of their meeting.
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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #17 on: July 15, 2008, 05:15:34 PM »
yes I saw that but I was not quite sure it was " a clue" . Thanks for your answer  :)

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« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2008, 06:35:04 AM »
Yeah, it was what I was talking about on my last post. I think there's something strange in the relation between the doctor and his patient. And this relation has an evolution in the film. I think both are worried and scared. Cole is a boy closed in his own world, worried because of the "sixth sense" he has, and so he can't open his mind to whoever who comes to talk with him. On the other side, Malcolm knows the boy is special, and he's also affraid because he wants to do things well, in order to help him, he doesn`t want that things go wrong like it happened in the past with that boy (that one who try to kill the doctor). The boy is a new opportunity for the doctor to do his job well.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2008, 05:02:24 AM »
Hi,
yesterday I saw again the movie, with a new point of view after discussing on this site.
I still have the sensation that something's wrong, but I enjoyed it more than other times.
The first time Doctor Crow meets Cole he says: "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." Well, who has given him an appointment if he's dead? Who has called him and said "could you please visiti my son, he has some problems"?
There's another moment not very clear: Cole has a bad moment at the school and he goes to the director room, where he's alone when the doctor comes. But..who has called the doctor to tell him about that problem at the school? How did he know that the boy was there? If he's dead he should not know these things.

These moments on the film are good to explain my theory: the moments when the doctor should receive a call from someone to ask him for an appointment with the boy or to go to school to know what's happened are cut, we don't see them, because not seeing them is the only way to not advertise that he's dead.

Anyway, a trick or not, is a good movie, great story
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2008, 09:31:38 AM »
when Cole is at school in the director's office Malcolm probably comes because he's so preoccupied by the boy that he follows him we can imagine that . Then, When Malcolm says "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." , Cole was probably on the list . His mom had probably called him before his death and doesn't know what happened to him :) Ad so he doesn't know he's dead so he goes on his life as it was before.

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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2008, 04:06:24 PM »
Again, I think malcom just shows up wherever he's supposed to be. No one has to call him. And Cole wouldn't have had to be on the list. None of the other ghosts knew about Cole before they died, but they still found him because they needed him. Whatever is bringing these ghosts to cole must be some sort of higher power like fate or karma or something..which puts ideas in their heads (like "we have an appointment") or blocks out unnecessary things (like "how did I get here?") And, as far as the hospital thing goes, I dont remember how he ended up in there, but I doubt it was Malcom who checked him in because that wouldnt make sense.
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« Reply #22 on: July 22, 2008, 01:43:00 AM »
Hey, I like two thing you have said, because both have sense:

so he doesn't know he's dead so he goes on his life as it was before.
Yeah, that was one my ideas to explain it. Maybe Cole should be his next patient before he died, and when he wakes up as a ghost he just tries to continue his life, and in that moment his first priority is to help that boy, because he feels bad because of what has happened with the other boy. So that feeling brings him directly to Cole.

None of the other ghosts knew about Cole before they died, but they still found him because they needed him.
I think that is one of the keys of the film, thanks, great point of view. I also thought about that idea when I saw the scene where the boy asks Cole to follow him in Cole's home. The boy says "come with me, I'll show you where my dad has the gun". I thought "why this ghost is in Cole's home, and thought about the idea that they just look for the boy when they're dead because they need him.

Thanks, I think we're really clearing the meaning and the holes that I had found on the film.
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« Reply #23 on: July 22, 2008, 02:49:13 AM »
:) this is why it's interesting to be here :)

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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2008, 08:10:07 AM »
I think Cole knows that Malcolm is dead from the beginning,but he doesn't want to tell him directly because that would change their relationship.Cole needs help with the ghosts,and he thinks that Malcolm is the right person to help him.This would explain the confession Cole did to Malcolm: he didn't say it directly,but he explained him everything (in details),so that Malcolm could find a way to help him.That's my point of view :D
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2008, 01:09:26 PM »
yeah cole definititely knows malcom is a ghost from the beginning. just look at his reaction the first time he sees him.
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« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2008, 05:12:35 PM »
I have to agree with most people on this board, I don't find any holes in it, they're all explained away in the movie, just watch carefully and you'll notice that it all works out.  Night himself said it was hard to film because you had to film it two ways.  1.For first time viewers.  2.For return viewers.  So some of the stuff which might seem confusing at first, might make more sense the second time around.
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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #27 on: October 09, 2008, 12:17:13 PM »

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The first time Doctor Crow meets Cole he says: "we were supposed to have an appointment this morning...." Well, who has given him an appointment if he's dead? Who has called him and said "could you please visiti my son, he has some problems"?
Hi everyone ! It's been a while I didn"t come because I went in Ireland and then lessons began again at University. I wondered the same the thing but I can propose you some suggestions. Maybe the boy already had a meeting with Malcolm . U know some meetings with specialists are very long. So maybe .... and we know at the beginning that Malcolm is well-known for his very good work. I think it's the most probable explanation . Malcolm is already dead, but because he doesn"t it he continues his life and the boy who can see him like other people walking in the street, sees him as a normal person not as a dead one. But he seems to feel it at the beginning because he runs away to the church which is a place where he's alone and dead people can't come in .
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There's another moment not very clear: Cole has a bad moment at the school and he goes to the director room, where he's alone when the doctor comes. But..who has called the doctor to tell him about that problem at the school? How did he know that the boy was there? If he's dead he should not know these things.
I think Malcolm is already dead but knows this kind of information because he is obsessed with the boy . He is always thinking of him day and night. Some maybe he saw what happened . But you're gonna reply me : and he doesn't know he is dead ? I really think Malcolm doesn't know he is dead at the beginning. Then, this idea that he's maybe dead goes through his mind but he is just thinking that his life is dead ' because he  thinks his wife doesn"t love him anymore". He is dead in relationships with people and particularly his wife. He is dead inside. But he doesn"t know he is dead, and in grave . Then , maybe he realized it but he didn't want to believe it because he had a mission : to help this little boy . A,d theur relationship is not in one way because Malcolm helps the little boy to accept dead people and to help them. He helped him to accept life. And the little boy helped Malcolm to realize he's dead and death in a general way.

Please correct me if mistakes I study english at university it'd be useful :)

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« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2008, 05:12:48 AM »
Hi Erin,
I prefer not to correct your english, it seems advanced level, and I'm spanish, so I think I also will have many errors.
Anyway, thanks for giving us your opinion about my question. I really like to know how you all see this movie and how people answer my question. There's still something that doesn`t work, but after all the answers that you have given in this psot my ideas about was wrong in the film are desapeaaring, so it is that nowaday I like more this film than I liked before.
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Re: Is the film a trick?
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2008, 02:21:53 PM »
In this movie, we have to assume that a lot of supernatural things are going on. One thing we know for sure is that each ghost who does not move on has something they need to resolve in the world of the living. Malcom's problem is obviously his failure to help the other boy who sees dead people. So Malcom and Cole are actually helping each other. The other ghosts are alwys tied to the places and events related to the thing they need to resolve, that's why Malcom is always tied to his wife and to Cole. Malcom, himself, said he just showed up in places without knowing how he got there, so he is probably just being transported to where he needs to be. It's possible that cole was already on a list of patients for him to see when he died, but that doesnt have to be the case. Malcom probably just showed up with that idea in his head because that was his obsession.
See the villain's larger eyes insinuating a just-off-normal perspective on how they see the world? I see signs Lucius Hunt; just not as you see dead people. I am so very happy we saw..each other, and no I will not tell you what color love is. Stop asking.