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It takes place on Earth!
« on: July 22, 2009, 12:26:03 AM »
People have debated here about whether or not it goes against the spirit of the show to cast non-asians or non-certain race people for characters which appear to be a certain race on Avatar.
In the episode Sokka's Master, Katara makes a reference to the planet they're on being called "Earth". Now, that may be another planet called Earth, or some time far in the past or future, but it stands that she said "Technically if it came from outer space, then you couldn't really call it earth" (referring to "space earth" or meteorite metal lol) Now, earth in the sense of dirt or even EARTHbending can be a necessary artistic liscense since it is such a common word in our language and happens to also be the name of our planet, but Katara's reference ties the term "earth" exclusively to HER planet. That being said, it doesnt fully support the idea that races in Avatar are races which exist in our time, but it's interesting to think about.
See the villain's larger eyes insinuating a just-off-normal perspective on how they see the world? I see signs Lucius Hunt; just not as you see dead people. I am so very happy we saw..each other, and no I will not tell you what color love is. Stop asking.

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Re: It takes place on Earth!
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 04:33:59 PM »
very interesting Namaste.
I still believe they are Asians, Inuits,Mayans.  :P

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« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2009, 09:14:29 PM »
Actually, i recently saw this interview posted on someone from imdb which does seem very interesting....



1. How did you come up with the Avatar?

We came up for the concept for "Avatar" 3 years ago. Nickelodeon wanted to make a "legends & lore" type of show with a kid hero. That?s a genre we are very interested in, but we wanted to create a mythology that was based on Eastern culture, rather than Western culture. Although "Avatar" isn?t based on a specific Asian myth, we were inspired by Asian mythology, as well as Kung Fu, Yoga, and Eastern Philosophy. We were also inspired by Anime in general. We wanted to create a story that inspired people?s imaginations and that had elements of comedy, drama, and action.

2. You guys are not Asian so how did you come up with such an Asian cartoon?

We read a lot about Buddhism, Daoism, and Chinese history. We also have several consultants who work for the show - a cultural consultant that reviews all the scripts; a Kung Fu consultant who helps choreograph all the bending moves so that they are accurate to the style on which they are based; and a Chinese calligrapher who does all the signs and posters in the show. We don?t use any written English words in the show.

3. Which character do you identify most with? Why?

Mike identifies most with Aang?s peaceful qualities ? and his bald head!

Bryan identifies with Zuko, because he too can be incredibly stubborn and obsessively focused. And also with Sokka, because he too can be incredibly stubborn and annoyingly sarcastic!

4. We are watching the first season of Avatar now. Are you working on the Season 2 already? Can you tell us what to expect without spoiling it for us?

The rest of Book 1 (Water) will air this autumn in the US, which culminates with Aang, Katara, and Sokka finally arriving at the Northern Water Tribe. We are currently in production on 20 episodes of Book 2, which is the Earth book. New antagonists will be revealed as the kids journey deeper into the Earth Kingdom. And Aang will find an Earthbending teacher in his quest to master the four elements.

5. What is the meaning of Avatar?

We chose the word "Avatar" because it is an ancient Hindu word meaning "a temporary manifestation of a continuing entity." In our world, Aang is the current incarnation of this very powerful being: the one person who can control all four elements and keep balance in the world.


6. Why does Prince Zuko have a scar on this face? Why is he always angry?

Prince Zuko is the oldest son of Fire Lord Ozai, ruler of the Fire Nation, and the great-grandson of Fire Lord Sozin, who started the war. He is the rightful heir to the Fire Lord?s throne, but when Prince Zuko was 14, he spoke out against his father and the Fire Nation?s conquests. To teach his insubordinate son a lesson, Fire Lord Ozai forces his son to fight him in an Agni-Kai ? a traditional Firebender duel. The Fire Lord makes an example of his son in front of his royal army and leaves him with a prominent burn scar across his face. The message is clear. Regardless of bloodline, anyone who opposes the Fire Lord?s power will meet a terrible fate. Not content with physical punishment, Fire Lord Ozai strips the Prince of his birthright to the throne and banishes him from his homeland. His father tells Zuko the only way he will allow him to return is with the Avatar, dead or alive.


7. What does that Blue Arrow on Aang?s head mean?

The arrow on Aang?s head is a constant reminder that he may be the last survivor of his tribe, the Air Nomads.


Bryan and Mike?s parting words to kids in Asia?

We hope the viewers in Asia enjoy watching "Avatar." We are excited that people around the world get to watch the show. And we are especially excited to hear it dubbed in various languages! It?s exciting, adventure-filled, funny, and dramatic. If they watch, they won?t be disappointed! Thank you!

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Re: It takes place on Earth!
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2009, 11:06:26 PM »
why does everyone always freaking argue and debate on what the show is and what it isnt. Common sense tells me that it takes place on earth with some kind of asian culture surrounding it. it also tells me that it takes place not in our century because they fight with swords and martial art type practices. they also where traditional asian clothes and most have traditional asian hair styles. (almost no asians have these hairstyles or clothes now) they mostly have asians name, too.

also, they have plants and architecture indigenous to asia. such as bonzai trees and bamboo forest, as we see in "sokka's master".  

to me there's no debate at all to what it is and what it isn't? and it really isn't an opinion question to whether you think in takes place in ancient Asia, because its common sense it does. =)



also, it always bothers me when the creators say " its based on eastern myth and culture, but its not an  Asian show"...one question...What makes an Asian show, Asian. and whats makes a Western/American type movie western or American? Most of the time culture, myth, religion, etc, will tell you what kind of show it is. So by taking Asian names, Asian martial arts, Asian architecture, Asian culture, religions, etc. but still say "its not Asian", makes no sense. when you see American names, culture, and American beliefs and stuff, people say its American. but in reality "its not an American show, it could be Asian, black, Hispanic or whatever race besides white"...that's what the creators say, and it makes no sense....




also, do the walls of ba sing se represent the great wall of china? XD!


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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2009, 11:36:36 PM »
why does everyone always freaking argue and debate on what the show is and what it isnt. Common sense tells me that it takes place on earth with some kind of asian culture surrounding it. it also tells me that it takes place not in our century because they fight with swords and martial art type practices. they also where traditional asian clothes and most have traditional asian hair styles. (almost no asians have these hairstyles or clothes now) they mostly have asians name, too.

also, they have plants and architecture indigenous to asia. such as bonzai trees and bamboo forest, as we see in "sokka's master".  

to me there's no debate at all to what it is and what it isn't? and it really isn't an opinion question to whether you think in takes place in ancient Asia, because its common sense it does. =)



also, it always bothers me when the creators say " its based on eastern myth and culture, but its not an  Asian show"...one question...What makes an Asian show, Asian. and whats makes a Western/American type movie western or American? Most of the time culture, myth, religion, etc, will tell you what kind of show it is. So by taking Asian names, Asian martial arts, Asian architecture, Asian culture, religions, etc. but still say "its not Asian", makes no sense. when you see American names, culture, and American beliefs and stuff, people say its American. but in reality "its not an American show, it could be Asian, black, Hispanic or whatever race besides white"...that's what the creators say, and it makes no sense....




also, do the walls of ba sing se represent the great wall of china? XD!





Actually, common sense shows that it does not take place on our earth, because the continents have never been shaped in the way that they are on the map of the avatar world (lets just call it that for now) and there has never been a recorded instance of bending as portrayed in the show.

How hard is it to get that it takes place in a FANTASY world?
It's based on asian culture, but that does not mean it's asian.

Let me give you an example.  When Tolkien was creating the lore of the Rohirrim and Rohan, he was basing it on Anglo Saxon culture, what he envisioned England could be like without any French influence.  That doesn't mean that the land of Rohan WAS "ancient" England, it was based on it, and set in a fictious place, Middle Earth, which just so happened to be a continent on the planet of Arda, (called earth by the majority of its inhabitants) which in turn was in the universe of Ea.

So, to restate my point, just because it is based on a culture that we are familiar with, does not mean that it takes place in this world, or this universe for that matter.

Sorry about the long rant.  :D

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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 12:08:15 AM »
what you say makes sense, but by taking Asian culture (names, clothes, language, architecture and everything else) and you try to say it's not an "Asian show" is ignorant and doesn't make any sense.

Nice try though comparing it to Lord of the Kings, I don't follow that series at all.


And I think it's pretty clear that the walls of Ba Sing Se portrays The Great Wall of China. Just throwing that out there, not trying to start another argument. =)


and you said "So, to restate my point, just because it is based on a culture that we are familiar with, does not mean that it takes place in this world, or this universe for that matter."


I could really care less if it takes place on Earth (why does it matter anyway?) I was trying to say that when you take an Asian culture and create a show based on it, and say it isn't an Asian show, doesn't make sense? You can keep arguing and say it makes sense, and try to compare it to "Lord of the Rings", but it really doesn't so...
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 12:38:19 AM »
What exactly do you mean when you say it's an Asian show?

Is it based on Asian culture? yes. Does it take place in Asia? no.  I don't get why you are calling it an Asian show just because that is what it was based on.  That goes back to my Lord of the Rings example in my earlier post.

Also, you ask why does it matter that it doesn't take place on earth?
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I could really care less if it takes place on Earth (why does it matter anyway?)

Because you said this in your earlier post, I was merely proving it wrong
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Common sense tells me that it takes place on earth with some kind of asian culture surrounding it. it also tells me that it takes place not in our century because they fight with swords and martial art type practices. they also where traditional asian clothes and most have traditional asian hair styles

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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2009, 12:42:29 AM »
when i say earth i mean planet haha...i just say earth when i mean world....besides the point, i really don't care about what planet they come from? even though earth is the only planet that can inhibit living organisms ( but that doesn't really matter because its a "fantasy" story right?)


also when you say that a show is based on asian culture, what does it make it, an african show?


it really makes no sense...its common sense its an asian show...just throwing my two cents in there.


and when i say asian i include inuit...they're asian too, right? =)

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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2009, 01:30:18 AM »
I'm gonna bring my Lord of the Rings example back in and compare it side by side with avatar for you

-Tolkien created the land of Rohan and its inhabitants based on Anglo Saxon/ English culture.
-Mike and Bryan created the avatar world and its inhabitants based on Asian culture.

-Lord of the Rings is not an English book, it belongs to EVERYONE, it is a fantasy book.
-Avatar is not an Asian show, it is a FANTASY show.

You just admitted that avatar is fantasy right?  That it takes place in a fantasy world.
You can not say that it's a show belonging to a continent (Asia) in OUR world  when it clearly takes place on a fantasy world.  It does not take place in Asia.

And if you go back to your point that avatar is an Asian show because it bases stuff on Asian culture, look at the comparison I did above with the dashes.  It is not an Asian show, it does not take place in Asia, it just bases some of its culture on Asian culture.  It is a fantasy world, so it can not be Asian.  It's like saying Tatooine from Star Wars is Middle Eastern because the architecture and landscape was based on the Middle East.  Tatooine is not Middle Eastern just because some things on are based on that, it is a STAR WARS planet.  I can come up with hundreds of more examples if you wish.

Also, the show was created by Americans, so if you want to refer to it as a television series, then you can call it an American show.  If you are refering to the universe IN the show, that is fantasy BASED on Asian culture, it is not inherently Asian.

I think I covered everything :)

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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2009, 01:30:59 AM »
Mike and Bryan have called it an Asian fantasy world.  :P

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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2009, 01:36:25 AM »
Asian fantasy world = fantasy world based on Asian culture

Thats basically what I am trying to say, its fantasy rooted in Asian culture, but it isn't a fantasy SET in Asia, it takes place in the avatarverse ;D So I dont see how you can call it Asian, it's its own thing, it's unique
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 01:43:08 AM »
But I wouldn't really call it BASED or INFLUENCED. Because if it was based, they wouldn't have actually used real calligraphy, real martial arts, names, beliefs (philosophy) clothing, and cuisine.

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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2009, 04:33:36 AM »
Another useful post by Air Nomad! I think the key here is, like Air Nomad pointed out, how the inhabitants of "middle earth" did not live on Earth at all, but merely called their planet by the name of what would translate as their word for dirt. (just like we do ;D and btw as far as I know the word for our planet and dirt are the same in most languages)

I was basing my idea (that avatar takes place on Earth) on the fact that the word Earth was used to name their planet. All the stuff about bending and the different continents could be explained by the fact that it could take place far in the past or future like I said, but it is more likely that it is not our planet at all. However, I still think it would have been much better if they had cast more asians in the major roles.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2009, 10:45:05 AM »
Dear Lord, this again? XD


Inuits have asain ancestry, but their culture makes them Inuit if that makes sense.

The show does has Asain Influence, but not everything is Asian. Look at the Sun Warriors, thats Mayan/Aztec influenced.

Then the inuits for the water tribe...as stated earlier thier culture differs too.

Dont say "well the Natives came from Asia...etc" argument. Thats a stretch, because even though it is very possible it's still considered one of many theories for the Native people of the Americas.  

And as AN pointed out, the continents shapes differ.  It's a Fantasy with Asian influence. Just like many fantasies, authors use many cultural influences for thier work. You are always going to find similar cultural traits in a fantasy to an existing cultire, it's common. People who have ideas are inspired by something, right?



In all honesty though, why the heck are we having this argument again? I mean, we can say our opinions on this, but as far as the movie goes, what's done is done, we can't change anything at this point, it's just dwelling over something pretty trivial. It's pretty pointless at this point. If the movie Sucks, it will suck, and they may wait a while and remake it.  It's not the end of the world.
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2009, 11:02:53 AM »
oh boyy...if it is based on Asian culture and beliefs, then what it is? SPANISH!!!?? OH YES IT MUST BE SPANISH!! You are so clever air nomad, THANKS SO MUCH for pointing that out for me!


"it just bases some of its culture on Asian culture."...that is what you said. Really? I'm pretty sure you can't point out more than three things that aren't Asian about it. Making my point clear that it's Asian. Even if the fire bending masters episode is based on some Mayan culture, it still has many Asian attributes to it too. Their are pagodas, they do martial arts, and they have Asian names. Also, they follow masters, who are Chinese dragons, with Asian names.



and i count Inuits as Asian ethnicity but a different culture (Inuit culture), i think the water tribe is all Inuit, and nothing else.



and just because it is based in a fantasy world, doesn't take away any of its "Asian-ness".


and yea, the show does belong to everyone, but the culture doesn't. The culture belongs to Asians and Inuits, making it a show created in America, but still Asian. EXAMPLE: I WAS CREATED IN AMERICA, BUT IM STILL ASIAN!!! WOOO  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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